(March 7, 2023 at 7:24 am)Belacqua Wrote:Quote:1) There were articles on European press on that in the 90’s. But here is a more recent article:
“After 1980, the post-Mao Party began withdrawing funds from the health system across China, requiring it to make up the shortfall from service charges to mostly uninsured patients. Selling the organs of executed convicts became a source of income for surgeons, the military and other participants. After 1999, Falun Gong prisoners of conscience became a live organ bank for wealthy Chinese patients and “organ tourists” from abroad, who often preferred that the “donors” were Falun Gong, being healthy persons normally, rather than convicted prisoners.”
https://endtransplantabuse.org/tiananmen...n-context/
You have to be very careful with Falun Gong sources. They are big on Q-Anon, they say that evolution is a lie, they are big pro-Trump people. Japanese people tend to lump them in with other new religions like the Moonies.
There is a great deal of misinformation on the Internet.
Quote:+ I can also mention the forced labor and assimilation polities in the Turkic Xinjian Region.
Another issue that should make you happy: Many western firms prefer to simply ignore the fact that their subsidiaries are providing them products that were produced as a result of forced labor because their will to make profit is simply stronger than their will to respect human rights.
Why do you think this will make me happy? Do you think I am in favor of forced labor?
Quote:2) No you can believe me on that. We are facing an issue that is similar to the situation in Ukraine here. We have political İslamists in power here (that are one and the same with fascists or KKK members in my opinion). I think that their project is one are the same as the project of Russians in Ukraine. So I am not one of these nuts who volunteer to go and fight with the foreign brigade of the Ukrainians. But on an attitude level I do feel a lot of understanding toward Ukrainians. By the way I came here because I want to share this article on how difficult the situation is on the Ukrainian side also:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-sol...41199.html
Believe you on what? That China is Orwellian?
And no one is surprised that Ukrainian soldiers are in bad condition in Bakhmut. Ukraine is losing badly.
Quote:And just like you, Political İslamists seem to be surprised by this attitude. That’s because the world has been changing (for a while now). This idea of men being some sort of creature who is happy to live as long as he can eat and breed is clearly fading away. Anyone who fails to see this shift is making a huge mistake. And I think these people themselves are not really right in their own minds. That’s how I see this![]()
What attitude do you think I will be surprised by? Who has said that people are "happy to live as long as he can eat and breed"?
You seem to be arguing against things I have never said.
Here is a blog post by a British guy who lives in China. I cannot vouch that is 100% accurate, but it might make sense for you to read something by someone who is actually there. He gives links to other sites. Many of the sources I see, both independent (non-corporate) anglophone media and media from Chinese-speakers, corroborate what he's saying.
https://johnmenadue.com/the-greatest-pro...n-history/
1) Yes. I don’t know why Wikipedia is citing this Fallun Goong organization. Here is a better source: https://humanrightscommission.house.gov/...g-evidence
Authoritarian countries do that. In Egypt they simply kill Sub-Saharan African refugees, make them “donors” and throw their bodies in the desert. (I watched a terrible documentary on that).
Thanks for the warning

2) You seem like a rather left-wing person to me so I wanted to let you know that I am also very critical about these multi-national companies who value their own profit more than human rights.
3) That’s my point. I think they saw what happened in Syria, so they cannot afford to lose badly and with the aid of the West, I don’t think they are going to lose badly.
4) Sorry but you did. That’s the social contract of authoritarian Governments and empires (like the Ottoman Empire, the Soviet Empire, the neo-Russian Empire, the Nazi Empire) basically it says: “I will take everything from you, I will give you nothing, You will do as I say, You will believe what I say you will believe and I will let you live (Until I summon you to join army ranks)”.
Again, a Cultural example from this region (and History): When I was in a bazaar in Cairo / Egypt, all those merchants were there saying “Hola” to Mexican tourists, “Bongiorno” to the Italians, “dobra-utra” to the Russians, but when I was chatting with the guys they would not sey “merhaba” or “İyi Gunler” to me. He just wouldn’t. Why? – Not because he disliked me as a person. That’s because people do not like to be ruled by someone. + When you oppress someone (Like Russia did to Poland throughout all its history) People don’t forget that. And that’s why even the Populist, Right-wing government of Poland is the number one supporter of Ukraine (together with Baltic and other East-European countries). All I am saying is that imperial ambitions are a relic of the past. For me it’s something that was over with the End of the colonial empires in the 60’s. The very last relic of that was perhaps the US during the Vietnam War, or the Soviets during the Afghan war. So I have expectations, even toward Xi-Chi-Ping for instance. I agree with him if he wants to develop his economy in order to support his people. I disagree with him if he dream of “World dominance in 2050”. If he repeats that too often I will conclude that he is no different from my “Chief” here in the palace

Web Link: The forced assimilation of the Turkic people in Xin-Jang is a fact. We have many Uygur Refugees living here in Turkey. China is even asking for their extradition. This has been happening since the PRC came to power in the 40’s. They see İslam as some twisted ideology so they want to “change” this erroneous belief among the people. There are all sorts of reports. We even know the things they are doing in these “reeducation centers” and we know it’s on large scale. You can just browse the Internet I’m sure you will find many interesting articles

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