(March 15, 2023 at 7:35 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(March 15, 2023 at 7:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I missed that bit before..but it's on point. "That Russian Dude" that didn't fire the nukes even though his very own putin ordered him to held back because he had good reason to believe that his gear was malfunctioning. Sort of like russians today might wonder if their gear is malfunctioning or their putin has thrown a bolt. No reason for them, to die for that shit, right???
..unless we only brought it up because we're in the camp who thinks he should have mashed that shit hard, even so, like russia is doing to ukraine....
For those not in the know:
Quote:Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станисла́в Евгра́фович Петро́в; 7 September 1939 – 19 May 2017) was a lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces who played a key role in the 1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident.[1] On 26 September 1983, three weeks after the Soviet military had shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007, Petrov was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile had been launched from the United States, followed by up to five more. Petrov judged the reports to be a false alarm.[2]
His subsequent decision to disobey orders, against Soviet military protocol,[3] is credited with having prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its NATO allies that could have resulted in a large-scale nuclear war which could have wiped out half of the population of the countries involved. An investigation later confirmed that the Soviet satellite warning system had indeed malfunctioned. Because of his decision not to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike amid this incident, Petrov is often credited as having "saved the world".[4][5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
How much more must the Russian military be doubting their equipment after all the flaws showing up in Ukraine? Nukes deteriorate, sensors malfunction, weak leaders make shoddy decisions ... the uncertainty levels in Russia's military must be pretty nerve-wracking.
I think this makes the threat more real than less real. And I think China and India’s role on that might be crucial. The shorter this war drags on the less chance for a nuclear accident of that sort.
+ I don’t like this new arms race between the West and China either. I think we should be focusing our efforts on our energy transition rather than on a new cold-war with China.
So if Xi is clever enough to see these things (I think his predecessors would have seen it) there might be a change for the better within one year or so. If not, I personally am not sure where this will lead us either

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