Russia and Ukraine

[Irreligious Atheist]

This has been one of the more tiresome bits of bullshit about the war.  The us scuttled some peace deal that vlad would never have stuck with even if it existed.  Okay, how?  By saying we'd give them weapons?  Think it through.....

Of course, there's a fantastic chance the peace deal would not have held. I think we're far beyond actually talking about the peace deal here though. That's just looping and we've been there, done that. What we've been doing the past several pages, rather, is debating how we know what's true, and how we can find out what's true in the world (or most certainly true). And Thump has made it clear that he only intends to play jury foreperson, to the point where Casey Anthony or OJ or the mob boss would get a free pass because they were at least a little bit careful and perhaps left an inch of room for doubt. If his bar for knowing what's going on in the world is me literally having to provide video of Zelenski getting being tied up and getting his balls electrocuted by Johnson, then I'm afraid Thump is going to end up knowing very little about the world he inhabits.

By giving them weapons, yes. The contention was never that Zelenski was tied up and had his testicles electrocuted until he gave in or anything like that. The British PM, likely speaking on behalf of NATO and especially the US, came in and said that if you want our full support, we're not going along with any BS peace deal, and we'll give you all you need to fight the war, because as Johnson was quoted saying, the world must avoid any peace deal at all costs. And the West can be pretty darn good at persuasion, or making you an offer that you can't refuse. Ergo, NATO scuttled the peace deal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukr...022-06-07/

"He said it was vital that President Zelenskiy was not pressured into accepting a bad peace, noting that bad peace deals do not last. He said the world must avoid any outcome where Putin's unwarranted aggression appears to have paid off," the spokesman said.