Russia and Ukraine

[Irreligious Atheist]

No, the peace deal Zelenski was negotiating would not have given Crimea back to Ukraine. That is a more recent position by Ukraine, that they must have Crimea back. The original peace deal would have actually taken even more land than that from Ukraine, and Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO. That was the deal on the table at the time, and reports say it was most likely going to go forward, until the British PM showed up for the meeting with Z.

But again, we're looping by continuing to go over that. No one here is disputing that the deal would have been highly likely to fail and fold. The debate the past few pages has been how we know what's true, and showing that we will never know much about the going ons of the world if we have no ability to read between the lines. Casey Anthony was involved in the death of her damn child, and I don't even need to know how the child died (bc the evidence was washed away) to read between the lines. What's crystal clear is crystal clear. As jury foreperson, however, would I have voted to convict Casey Anthony for murder? Nope. We don't even have evidence of how the child died, so I can't be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that a murder even took place. Could have been an accidental drowning or whatever. Like the killing of Kayley Anthony, can I provide a transcript of all that was said in the meeting between the British PM and Zelenski? Nope. But I can read between the lines, and me pointing out the obvious at the time has now been confirmed by the Israeli PM.

And I think we are doing plenty here in Canada for Ukrainians by taking thousands of them in and giving them safe haven. That is not nothing. In my city, there are more Ukrainians now I think here than there are in any other town outside of Ukraine. We're becoming a little mini-Ukraine here and it's cool to see it. I'm happy for these lovely folks. I don't need to back their war and show up at their protests against Putin to prove that I care about them, however. A Muslim family was run over by a radicalized person in my city as well, and that's sad as hell, but sadly I can not stand with the Muslim community here when they are throwing protests and now trying to change the laws to make laws to fight Islamophobia and trying to clamp down on speech (thankfully it's been voted down thus far), but I will support them as a people nonetheless and invite more and more of them in as refugees, even though I think they're very wrong on this issue.

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When you were a kid and the bullies at school took your lunch money, did you offer to give them extra money?

Boru

Zelenski was the one looking for that peace deal and just about willing to give those things up, so you'd have to ask him. I can't read his mind.

If my friend is getting beaten up in the school yard or getting his lunch money taken, I'm going to step in and try to stop it. If someone across the ocean is getting their lunch money taken, I'm not necessarily going to step in, because the world is a harsh place, and then you die.

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