Russia and Ukraine

[Leonardo17]

Egregious misunderstanding seems to be your superpower.

You seem to have forgotten that Ukraine's demand or the return of all conquered areas including Crimea would be a condition for these talks to succeed. The certainly knew such a condition would be rejected by the Russians.

Your attempt to deny Ukrainian agency dovetails nicely with Kremlin talking-points, though.

No, the peace deal Zelenski was negotiating would not have given Crimea back to Ukraine. That is a more recent position by Ukraine, that they must have Crimea back. The original peace deal would have actually taken even more land than that from Ukraine, and Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO. That was the deal on the table at the time, and reports say it was most likely going to go forward, until the British PM showed up for the meeting with Z.

But again, we're looping by continuing to go over that. No one here is disputing that the deal would have been highly likely to fail and fold. The debate the past few pages has been how we know what's true, and showing that we will never know much about the going ons of the world if we have no ability to read between the lines. Casey Anthony was involved in the death of her damn child, and I don't even need to know how the child died (bc the evidence was washed away) to read between the lines. What's crystal clear is crystal clear. As jury foreperson, however, would I have voted to convict Casey Anthony for murder? Nope. We don't even have evidence of how the child died, so I can't be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that a murder even took place. Could have been an accidental drowning or whatever. Like the killing of Kayley Anthony, can I provide a transcript of all that was said in the meeting between the British PM and Zelenski? Nope. But I can read between the lines, and me pointing out the obvious at the time has now been confirmed by the Israeli PM.

And I think we are doing plenty here in Canada for Ukrainians by taking thousands of them in and giving them safe haven. That is not nothing. In my city, there are more Ukrainians now I think here than there are in any other town outside of Ukraine. We're becoming a little mini-Ukraine here and it's cool to see it. I'm happy for these lovely folks. I don't need to back their war and show up at their protests against Putin to prove that I care about them, however. A Muslim family was run over by a radicalized person in my city as well, and that's sad as hell, but sadly I can not stand with the Muslim community here when they are throwing protests and now trying to change the laws to make laws to fight Islamophobia and trying to clamp down on speech (thankfully it's been voted down thus far), but I will support them as a people nonetheless and invite more and more of them in as refugees, even though I think they're very wrong on this issue.

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That’s a totally different issue. Both Ukrainians and Russians migrated a lot in recent years to wherever they could. The same happened with Syrians after 2010. France took about 10,000 of them ( a totally symbolic gesture). Germany took 1 million. Poland took about 1,5 million Ukrainians. Germans took another 1,2 million. This is just the ugly face of war. The main issue is infrastructure and good follow-ups of there migrations. These people have to be registered, helped, integrated and sent back as soon as possible. Besides I thought Canada lacked a lot of workforce in many areas, so this should not harm you a lot
 
The main problem here is that Russia is not just some authoritarian state like China. They are completely insane. Look at this article:
 yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-soldier-wondered-russians-advancing-204032070.html
 
They take inmates in prisons. They train them for 3 weeks. They give them drugs that were invented by Nazis to make them completely fearless. And they send them on bullets to a certain death. The life expectancy of a Wagner soldier on the front is estimated to be 4 hours.
 
This is a technique that was used by Stalin in WWII to wear off Nazi troops. They would send waves of soldiers without riffles just to make them give up. But you don’t do that in modern warfare. Not in the 21st century. This is not an existential war for Russia. This is a war of invasion. So these techniques of war were not even used on Afghans during the Soviet invasion in the 70’s.
 
So something is going on in Moscow. There is a guy Guiliano Empoli who just published a book called “The Wizard of the Kremlin” in which he is talking about the inner circles of Vladimir Putin. I didn’t read that book but I know it’s something like that.
 
See: You don’t just waste your soldiers in a war like that. A normal military leader does not just drug his soldiers and send them to a certain death. That’s not how army works. So again question mark.