RE: Is Islam A Death Cult?
April 19, 2023 at 8:26 am
(This post was last modified: April 19, 2023 at 9:29 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Your approach is the colonized new age approach - which makes you a heretic to abrahamism even though you're perfectly representative of it's modern face in the west in mere reality. Perhaps you feel different, or that your approach is different, because wherever you are there hasn't been the same level of internal subversion playing out? In which case, the state of "spiritual knowledge" in us nutters is a letter from your future. Does it seem to be doing the thing you think it does? Do you look at the new age abrahamic heretics here in the us and think "yeah, those guys are onto something, doing the lords work over there!"....? They've put in plenty of time and effort building those spiritual muscles you think must exist. This is the product of that.
Ultimately, I think, that you and the rest of the colonized make the mistake of believing that incorporating other superstitions and by distancing yourselves from whatever is currently frowned upon..by the outside world™... in your respective faiths you will avoid the (to your mind) mistaken situation those earlier versions of the faith fell to - but, it's worth considering..in order to build that muscle of yours, that distancing yourself from social evils may not in the end put any distance between you and those mistakes. Particularly if the point of distancing yourself from social evil is to reassert the beliefs that created the social evil in the first place, without accepting and resolving those objections which lead to your "spiritual need" of distance.
Are you, in these replies, any less nuts, any less dismissive, any less bigoted....any less wrong....in your repeated assertion that atheism is the way to go if you're lazy and/or have little time? Do you think that this is a new idea? Would you be surprised to find that this same explanation fell from the lips of the earliest bishops of rome as they struggled to assert christian dominion over a pagan empire? That it is, in fact, the very reason that the institution of the catholic priesthood took as it's cause for existence, or that your own shamans and witchdoctors take as theirs? Somebody had to study this stuff, to get all the wisdom™..because what dirt clawing farmer had the time, inclination, or ability? In a deliciously perverted show, you appear to be pitching yourself as just such a studied observer and evangelist here, among the heathen. You have the time, the inclination, the ability. You've built your muscle.
The irony, is that there's an altogether more reasonable conclusion right at your fingertips when you insist as much. That if it truly would take an ideologically committed academic with nothing else going to sift through piles and piles of shit looking for a single kernel of corn - then maybe they should skip the piles of shit and go straight to the cornfield? Assuming, ofc, there actually is such a field in the first place - but then again, with your insistence on the fundamentally subjective nature of this enterprise...is there...really...? Are you here bullshitting yourself, us only by proxy, about that?
Take, for example, your core belief that a religious truth or spirituality must be universal. What's The Original Message™ line you have for this? That there is only one god? Laughably false, and exclusionary - categorically not a universal belief. That some 7th century warlord is it's emissary? Also laughably false, also not universal. Supposing for the absolute lols that either of these two things were true then the situation would be even more..and not less..repulsive to me. I'm not alone in this and this is not novel to our community here. This is not "the atheist" pov - it is in fact the point of view of every believer of every other antithetical faith to your own in addition to people like myself. So that's islam utterly ruled out as a candidate for religious truth, for spiritual reality. As being the cornfield. No? More fundamentally..because I do love these cornfields...do you believe that a universal religious truth or spirituality even -can- arise from cultural imposition? It seems to me that a religious truth or spirituality defined to be or believed to be a universal one could only emerge from the bottom and organically manifest it self up through all levels of all societies in all times. Kind of what it means to be universal, right? A thing that binds us all for having it in common. A true shared reality, even if it's, in some sense, a shared reality private to human beings. We all feel it, but don't expect a bluebird too, eh?
I think it's interesting that whatever collection of items that is (if it is)....is so commonly believed to have been relayed to us by some silly god. Why? To what end? If a thing is like that..we don't need to be told. We don't even need to study or exert any particular effort to arrive at the conclusion(s). Rightly or wrongly, we already know. Literally must already know. Is there anything that you can think of like that? Some truth you see as broadly shared by all of humanity and thus a candidate for some universal spiritual reality as we might easily apprehend from a bit of introspection in our own private or inner worlds? A thing that would or even could bind us all in a singular moral community?
Ultimately, I think, that you and the rest of the colonized make the mistake of believing that incorporating other superstitions and by distancing yourselves from whatever is currently frowned upon..by the outside world™... in your respective faiths you will avoid the (to your mind) mistaken situation those earlier versions of the faith fell to - but, it's worth considering..in order to build that muscle of yours, that distancing yourself from social evils may not in the end put any distance between you and those mistakes. Particularly if the point of distancing yourself from social evil is to reassert the beliefs that created the social evil in the first place, without accepting and resolving those objections which lead to your "spiritual need" of distance.
Are you, in these replies, any less nuts, any less dismissive, any less bigoted....any less wrong....in your repeated assertion that atheism is the way to go if you're lazy and/or have little time? Do you think that this is a new idea? Would you be surprised to find that this same explanation fell from the lips of the earliest bishops of rome as they struggled to assert christian dominion over a pagan empire? That it is, in fact, the very reason that the institution of the catholic priesthood took as it's cause for existence, or that your own shamans and witchdoctors take as theirs? Somebody had to study this stuff, to get all the wisdom™..because what dirt clawing farmer had the time, inclination, or ability? In a deliciously perverted show, you appear to be pitching yourself as just such a studied observer and evangelist here, among the heathen. You have the time, the inclination, the ability. You've built your muscle.
The irony, is that there's an altogether more reasonable conclusion right at your fingertips when you insist as much. That if it truly would take an ideologically committed academic with nothing else going to sift through piles and piles of shit looking for a single kernel of corn - then maybe they should skip the piles of shit and go straight to the cornfield? Assuming, ofc, there actually is such a field in the first place - but then again, with your insistence on the fundamentally subjective nature of this enterprise...is there...really...? Are you here bullshitting yourself, us only by proxy, about that?
Take, for example, your core belief that a religious truth or spirituality must be universal. What's The Original Message™ line you have for this? That there is only one god? Laughably false, and exclusionary - categorically not a universal belief. That some 7th century warlord is it's emissary? Also laughably false, also not universal. Supposing for the absolute lols that either of these two things were true then the situation would be even more..and not less..repulsive to me. I'm not alone in this and this is not novel to our community here. This is not "the atheist" pov - it is in fact the point of view of every believer of every other antithetical faith to your own in addition to people like myself. So that's islam utterly ruled out as a candidate for religious truth, for spiritual reality. As being the cornfield. No? More fundamentally..because I do love these cornfields...do you believe that a universal religious truth or spirituality even -can- arise from cultural imposition? It seems to me that a religious truth or spirituality defined to be or believed to be a universal one could only emerge from the bottom and organically manifest it self up through all levels of all societies in all times. Kind of what it means to be universal, right? A thing that binds us all for having it in common. A true shared reality, even if it's, in some sense, a shared reality private to human beings. We all feel it, but don't expect a bluebird too, eh?
I think it's interesting that whatever collection of items that is (if it is)....is so commonly believed to have been relayed to us by some silly god. Why? To what end? If a thing is like that..we don't need to be told. We don't even need to study or exert any particular effort to arrive at the conclusion(s). Rightly or wrongly, we already know. Literally must already know. Is there anything that you can think of like that? Some truth you see as broadly shared by all of humanity and thus a candidate for some universal spiritual reality as we might easily apprehend from a bit of introspection in our own private or inner worlds? A thing that would or even could bind us all in a singular moral community?
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