Russia and Ukraine

[Thumpalumpacus]

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I'm in full truther mode too now about the drone attack, but just to play devil's advocate, I'm sure the Kremlin is one of the most photographed and videoed places on the planet, so that could explain why cell phone footage was taken, unlike the 1st twin tower where video was mostly absent. And of course, a few months back, Russia's nuclear triad was struck inside of Russia, and Nudge, who's military knowledge I respect, told me that would be pretty simple to pull off for Ukraine without the need of Western help. I know this is the Kremlin, so obviously that changes things a bit.

Would it be impossible for air defenses to allow a drone to get that close? I can't say, but like you say, it does sound unlikely. I like to remain agnostic about these things though when we have so little information at present. Is it impossible that this was Ukraine? Maybe not. What if the drones took flight while they were already inside of Russian airspace? Even an air defense like the US' could not stop the Pentagon and towers from being smashed into. And remember that old man who landed on the White House lawn I think it was in his quadcopter or whatever it's called, not long ago? This was post 9/11. He wasn't shot down by the US. An insurance policy was taken out on the twin towers right before it happened. Documents were destroyed at the Pentagon that helped them cover up the missing trillions of dollars easier. Conservatives said right before 9/11 that a Pearl Harbour like event would be perfect to carry out their military goals. Despite all of this, I do not believe that the US was involved in the 9/11 attacks against themselves, although there was the news recently that there may have been CIA assets among the 9/11 hijackers, and of course it was confirmed that the 9/11 hijackers were funded by the Saudi government. 


When the 9/11 truthers hear this news, you best bet that this is only going to confirm for them that 9/11 was an inside American job. My point is, we probably shouldn't say we know 100 % what happened, at least at this point. Bringing up things like May 9th and all of that makes sense in a vacuum, but this type of thing could be a coincidence, just like all of those 9/11 coincidences that I pointed out. Coincidences happen constantly, but of course we should keep our guards up and question everything coming from the Russian government.

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I had thought it obvious that I was offering my own opinion, but since it apparently wasn't understood that way, let me say that I don't know it was a false-flag attack. I wasn't there, didn't sit in on any planning, and so on. So it's my opinion, backed up with some reasoning. Aside from the serendipity of having a couple of videos of an oh-dark-thirty attack, there's also these reasons I think this:

1) with support for the war flagging and dissension in the Russian milblogger community, a staged attack would be useful for drawing Russia together by presenting an "outside" threat and attempted presidential assassination -- rally 'round the flag, you dig?;

2) Haven't seen a word about the Russian general in charge of Moscow's air defenses being sacked for such a dreadful failure to perform his duties to protect the capital and the President, and this in a city ringed by concentric air defenses. We'd also have to assume these drones avoided detection for 800 or so miles if launched from Ukraine;

3) if you've seen the video, in one there's footage of a largish "explosion" above the apex of a dome -- yet the flagpole capping said dome is still standing after the "blast". It looks more like pyrotechnics than actual explosive ordnance. Go to 00:14 in this report to see the video I'm referring to:





The way I see it, there's four possibilities here:

1) It was an actual Ukrainian attack;

2) it was an attack by dissident Russians;

3) it was a false-flag orchestrated by Moscow;

4) it is a complete fabrication with doctored videos.

I think 2) and 3) are most likely, but no group has tried to claim credit for it (which they'd probably do in order to unify the opposition). So I believe 3) is most likely, for the reasons I gave above.