RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 4, 2023 at 11:29 pm
(This post was last modified: May 4, 2023 at 11:38 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(May 4, 2023 at 10:21 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The West has said that they don't want Zelensky striking Russian troops within Russia, and since the West is the ones providing the weapons, I think they get the say so and final word when it comes to what Zelenski is allowed to do with the weapons. Whether it's rational to strike someone attacking you, it's not as simple as that. North Korea would not be wise to strike South Korea due to sanctions by the West, and in kind, Ukraine should not be striking Russia. If Zelensky can not be shown to be a rational actor, his toys should be taken away so he is forced to negotiate an end to the war.
Well, duh, if grants are offered the lending party can say "we don't want you using this for that". That doesn't change the operational calculus, which is what Zelenskyy is arguing against. What you need to show now is how his argumentation is "irrational" or based in "panic".
As for your comparison to the situation on the Korean peninsula, let me know when there's a war there, otherwise this is just another red-herring moment from you. And comparing Un to Zelinskyy when the former is paranoid for no good reason while the latter is involved in defending his country against a massive and unwarranted invasion is either stupid or disingenuous -- you can take your pick there.
If I were in Kyiv, I'd strike any Russian asset I could, especially any Russian assets that would prolong this invasion. I bet you would too, but I also bet you're afraid to admit it, or afraid to fight it out. But if I could halt this invasion by striking Murmansk or Vladivostok or Tankograd, you could be sure I would. And if I needed those weapons from somewhere else, I'd sure ask for them, because my people are being shelled and missiled, my country is being plundered, and so on.
Read up on the Guadalcanal campaign, or the partisan Soviet efforts in 1943, the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, or the Transport Plan by the 8th Air Force to better understand my point ... because it seems clear to me you don't really have a grasp on it right now in this conversation. It's not about cutting the head off the snake, it's about cutting the head off the body. Denying your enemy the ability to fight at all is a greater, and cheaper, victory than defeating him on the field of battle.