Russia and Ukraine

[Irreligious Atheist]

The West has said that they don't want Zelensky striking Russian troops within Russia, and since the West is the ones providing the weapons, I think they get the say so and final word when it comes to what Zelenski is allowed to do with the weapons. Whether it's rational to strike someone attacking you, it's not as simple as that. North Korea would not be wise to strike South Korea due to sanctions by the West, and in kind, Ukraine should not be striking Russia. If Zelensky can not be shown to be a rational actor, his toys should be taken away so he is forced to negotiate an end to the war.

Of course the weapons-suppliers will say when they can and cannot be used. So if this is a war of the West against Russia as you allege, then how might you explain this Western reticence? Be specific. Yes, Zelenskyy wants to strike into Russian with HIMARS etc, but the fact is that Ukrainians haven't done that -- likely at the behest of the Americans supplying those missiles.

Now, how does that affect your picture of this war being driven by Western interests?

Zelenskyy wants to hit targets in Russia because -- get this -- those railheads and highways are actually funneling Russian materiel into the combat zone.

You complain that he isn't attacking behind Russian lines due to Western pressure, but let's be honest, you'd complain if he launched those attacks despite Western pressures. Whether he attacked in Russia or not (as is the case so far as we can tell), you would still be complaining and crying "foul play".

So stop trying to bullshit folks and just own your views. You're not fooling anyone but yourself, and I am skeptical of even that last part, because it sounds more like you're trying to convince yourself.

Use your head. Zelenskyy stands to gain nothing from a nuclear war. Western limitations on how their weapons are used do no imply Western control of the war in general. And you'd best be happy for that, because if NATO were to go in balls-deep, your buddy Putin's got about six days to his own, personal Sunday.

Also, you again comparing the Korean standoff, which is not a war that has seen half-a-million casualties inflicted by a Russian invasion, is dumb. I'd advise you to abandon that line of argumentation but I think it's a conscious red-herring n your part so you'd probably ignore such simple but well-intended advice.

There's always been a hard stench of bullshittery about you, and your posting here isn't doing you any favors.

Western restraint is explained by them thinking direct attacks on Russia are not the smart move at the moment, or necessary. And Biden is no idiot either. But there are definitely a fair share of neo-cons in positions of power that would love an even more intense proxy showdown with Russia if they got their way.

The sanctions on North Korea could account for hundreds of thousands of people dying due to starvation, but yes, it was never meant to be a one to one comparison. If dumb ass Trump gets back into power and does some dumb operation in Mexico against the cartel which leads to Mexican civilians dying, should the Mexican government then start sending drones into the US to bomb them? Maybe not the best play?