(May 6, 2023 at 9:06 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(May 5, 2023 at 4:34 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I've shit on Russia plenty of times in this thread, but if you want me to do it in every post I make as a virtue signal by me to prove how anti-Russian I am, then I'm just not going to do that. I've done it a bunch of times already in the thread. If people think I'm loyal to Russia or something rather than to my own, then so be it.
You've spent so much time and energy trying to justify Russia's atrocities in Ukraine that your protestations ring hollow. I'm not asking for virtue-signaling, I'm asking for honesty, a trait you're apparently unable to grasp.
(May 5, 2023 at 4:34 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Lindsey Graham casually suggests world war III
Graham's a neocon? lol You might want to learn the terms you're using before tossing them around, you'll look less ignorant.
Quote:Historically speaking, the term neoconservative refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist left to the camp of American conservatism during the 1960s and 1970s.[4] The movement had its intellectual roots in the magazine Commentary, edited by Norman Podhoretz.[5] They spoke out against the New Left, and in that way helped define the movement.[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
Yes, when you turn a power like Russia's satellite state (Ukraine) into a liability for them, and blow up the Crimean bridge and blow up pipelines and bomb Russia's nuclear triad inside of Russia, and you show Russia that almost the entire West is behind them by providing weaponry, Russia is going to respond pretty harshly. This is war. It's not going to be pretty. Countless innocent people were killed and targeted, by all sides, during the world wars. Yes, Russia has gone beyond that in breaking international laws of war, but even still, there were going to be loads of innocent casualties regardless.
What truth do you want to know? You want to know if I believe there needs to be regime change in Russia? Not particularly, and I think it's counter productive for politicians around the world to be talking about such. Am I glad that Russia is destroying innocent people's lives? Obviously not, as my preference would have not been for Russia to take the land they will take inside of Ukraine. My preference would have been that Ukraine didn't get too big for its' britches, and war didn't break out. That's the truth and that's what I wanted. And I'm aware that fighting has been happening already for years, and you have Crimea and all of that, but when I talk about war breaking out, I'm referring to the more recent invasion of Ukraine.
It's too late for the war to not break out though, so you want to know what I want at the current moment? I want a peace deal, which the spy documents show Zelensky knows is going to have to happen very soon. That means giving something up. May as well give up the couple of spots that are already the most pro-Russian. Be done with it and end the war. Yes, this is what I want. And I don't want it because I'm pro-Russia. That's not the reason I want a peace deal, and that is the truth, whether you want to believe it or not. Zelenski knows that a peace deal must be reached soon, and he's going through his fighting forces pretty quickly, so you can't keep up the war endlessly. I know this. Zelensky knows this. Russia knows this. Which is why they will take the couple most pro-Russian places, and peace will be made, whether it's China or India helping put the peace deal together. The US need not play a role in the peace deal since China and India have stepped up to the plate. There doesn't appear to be an alternative to peace, which is why you guys should be shifting your positions right now, because you guys are pretending that the Pentagon documents don't exist, when they show us, clearly, how this war must end.
