Russia and Ukraine

[Thumpalumpacus]

The Russians could stop their bleeding with a simple decision.

"No one knows with certainty how many people have been killed and wounded in Iraq since the 2003 United States invasion. However, we know that between 280,771-315,190 have died from direct war related violence caused by the U.S., its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces from the time of the invasion through March 2023. The violent deaths of Iraqi civilians have occurred through aerial bombing, shelling, gunshots, suicide attacks, and fires started by bombing. Many civilians have also been injured".

I don't justify Russia. But don't tell me that USA and its allies are noble side that likes diplomacy. 

Tu quoque is an informal fallacy. By bringing up American behavior in a thread about the war in Ukraine, you certainly appear at the very least to prefer avoiding discussion of the Russian atrocities that are going on as we speak, if not justifying them.

Now, no one here has said that America is perfect and pure, and yes, I'm a USAF veteran (not of that war, but Desert Storm) who believed at the time and still does that our invasion of Iraq was not only illegal but stupid and bloody. And again, if it's really important to you, you could always start a thread about it.

Now that we have that out of the way, do you have any comments on the behavior of the Russians in Ukraine, or any understanding of why the Ukrainians might be willing to fight in order to not be subjugated by such an army as the Russian?

I notice as well that you did not provide any support for your claim that NATO is supporting Ukraine because it wants Ukrainian port facilities. Having trouble finding it?