(June 1, 2023 at 11:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(June 1, 2023 at 10:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: There are entirely too many words here if your intended audience is FlatAss. j/s
As for crazy people not being allowed to have guns...I see a couple issues. One is, what sort of crazy shouldn't have a gun? The other issue being that a person cleared today of not being crazy may well be crazy tomorrow, or in a week, or in a couple years. That's a tough one to plan for.
State by state additional laws vary, but federally, if you've been involuntarily committed to an institution or deemed mentally incompetent by a court, you'll have to go through a whole thing to be able to purchase firearms or ammo legally again. Anyone who sells you a weapon or ammo knowing of this or..in the specific language of the statute, having reasonable cause to believe, would also be committing a crime.
No one plans to be unwell. The only issue with this law, is how weak it is and how haphazardly we enforce it. There's a similar thing going on with domestic violence and shooters. Even when they live in states that mandate confiscations for offenders, the cops have a really strange tendency to let them keep their guns for a whole bunch of reasons I don't think that even -they- think hold water. Frankly, there's a similar thing going on with all of our gun laws. Most of the time in these debates people are "debating" whether or not we should decide to do a thing we're already doing. Whether we could pass a law we've already passed. What answers we have for allegedly novel situations that have been occurring and been dealt with for centuries just in this country. Rest assured, though, that no matter how it all falls playing along to the point of crafting legislation, we won't enforce whatever we decide on. Drives me nuts.
So, anywho...just like a domestic terrorist, the domestic abuser often ends up..basically, practicing until they finally do kill that hostage.
Domestic abuse and murder hits home for me. Scary as hell. As kids, we could easily have been the victim of domestic abuse via gun. Back then, it seems that even the most hot-headed domestic abusers knew that killing was a step too far. They could get away with a lot since people didn't meddle in the affairs of families but killing would have been harder to ignore.
My younger daughter's best friend was killed by her husband (via gun) and he then turned the gun on himself. This was a guy who was know for being a calm, meek guy...till he wasn't. Left five kids without at least one parent...a couple of them orphans. The youngest was in the house eating cereal and watching cartoons while this happened in the other room. She was about 3 years old at the time.
That's what I mean by you can be A-OK today and not okay mentally tomorrow.
I just don't know if we can do much legally other than to take the guns away from those who have proven to be violent or have made threats. This is as far as 'crazy' goes. Domestic abuse often doesn't end up in a legal charge for one reason or another.