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The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
8 hours ago
This was supposed to be a short answer in the “Noteworthy News” Thread. But I decided to post this as a new thread because these mass shootings seem to have become a regular thing in the news since the Columbine Shooting in Colorado in 1999.
Here is a short article about this awful incident:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/minn...54656.html
This one was a transgender man / woman or whatever. Almost all of these shooters have serious mental issues and their last victims are usually themselves.
See: Even a knife can be a super-efficient killing tools. This is why stiletto type automatic knives is (or used to be) illegal in most countries.
Fire arms are devices that were engineered through centuries to kill humans (and animals) as quickly and as efficiently as possible. So there are many macho types on this side of the Atlantic too who don’t have a lot, but are still willing to make the investment into that type of killing machines.
But there are laws in place. The government has the right to ask “What are you planning to do with that type of killing machine? What is your motive? Why do you think you need it? Won’t you consider investing on a new alarm system or in a German shepherd dog instead of it? How about an electroshock device? Pepper gas spray? Subscription to the local Krav - Maga School?”
The options are so many.
The second amendment is (in today’s terms) the right to take arms against someone like D. Trump if he succeeds in his endeavors and starts ruling the whole country without having to answer to anyone for any of his decisions.
So there is a huge misunderstanding here. As I said, where I live, you can end in police custody for having a knife. And not everyone gets to see my knives. We used to own fire guns but ended up selling them. (I mean there are cops + Gendarmerie + armed forces in this country, who needs that type of “investment” if you no longer actively need it right?)
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
8 hours ago
(This post was last modified: 7 hours ago by arewethereyet.)
Thank goodness you are here to point out what has been discussed on this forum hundreds of times, if not thousands.
Yes, the US has a gun problem. No, the powers that be aren't going to do anything about it.
Pretty sure that throwing one of my dogs at someone isn't going to be the deterrent here in Texas that a gun would be. You know what having a dog is for us? An early warning system that we may need to grab a gun. Not my preferred way to live...but the chances of an armed intruder here are pretty high.
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
7 hours ago
In New Zealand, there’s a long and fairly arduous process for getting a gun license. An immediate disqualifier is stating that you want a firearm for personal protection.
Average gun deaths in New Zealand: 4 per year.
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
7 hours ago
The last school shooting in the UK was 29 years ago, then we made our already strict gun laws even stricter, it seems to work. The USA seems to have a school shooting every month and does nothing about it, yet another reason not to visit.
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
6 hours ago
(7 hours ago)zebo-the-fat Wrote: The last school shooting in the UK was 29 years ago, then we made our already strict gun laws even stricter, it seems to work. The USA seems to have a school shooting every month and does nothing about it, yet another reason not to visit.
This does seem to be a uniquely American problem, that protecting a right enshrined into law more than 200 years ago is more important than the lives of schoolchildren.
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
6 hours ago
Our gun problem is a domestic terrorism problem that we can’t call for what it is because the domestic terrorists are in control of the conversation and the country.
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
3 hours ago
It's clear that the only Constitutional right that our right-wing cares about is the right to own a firearm. Speech? Get fired, get arrested. Religion? They'll nail Ten Commandments to the walls and persecute anyone else. Assembly? That's what the National Guard is being used against now. Petition the government? lol!
Wait, there's more. Equal treatment under the law? Well, what's your party affiliation? Cruel and unusual punishment? How does a prison in El Salvador sound to you? And most of all -- and not restricted to our current administration, this shit has been going on for decades now -- unenumerated rights guaranteed by the 9th Amendment? What are those? No one listed those, therefore they don't exist, even though the authors explicitly acknowledge that they might have missed something.
But no, no, they got it all right and what is not enumerated must not matter. So kiss reproductive rights goodbye, freedom of association goodbye, the right to privacy.
The only right these people care about is the right to own a gun, because it makes them feel powerful even as they are just as fucked as any other of us. It's a shame they won't use those guns to protect any other right, but only to feel strong.
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
2 hours ago
(This post was last modified: 2 hours ago by The Grand Nudger.)
They don't care about that right either. The organizing principle behind their performative support of gun rights is the implicit threat of gun violence from activated partisans.
When they criminalize opposition politics, there'll be a frenzy of perfectly legal gun confiscations.
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RE: The School Shooting in Minneapolis (and the Issue of Gun-Control in the US)
1 hour ago
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(2 hours ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They don't care about that right either. The organizing principle behind their performative support of gun rights is the implicit threat of gun violence from activated partisans.
When they criminalize opposition politics, there'll be a frenzy of perfectly legal gun confiscations.
Agreed. The 2A support we see from the Reich Wing politicians is not really about caring for the right to own, itself, but to cotton on a largish voting bloc that just like all us others would rather vote than fight.
You and I had a longish discussion about ten years ago regarding insurrection in America based on 2A rights and gun-owners taking up arms against the government. I think it's fair to say that both of us had a misplaced premise (at least one!) because we both were assuming that these gun-owners would actually fight to defend rights.
It's plain nowadays that they won't fight for anything, and you're right, when they come to take away guns, these "patriots" and "defenders" will mostly turn them in and get the latest Nintendo platform. That's how much they care about rights, somewhere below CoD19 or whatever.
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