RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
June 30, 2023 at 12:27 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2023 at 12:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You aren't missing anything. I'll save you the trouble. Neither video makes such a claim.
Did get me wondering how far back reliable gun death stats go in the uk. Turns out not far - or..rather, not as far as I would have expected? Gun crime in general was rare in victorian england because guns were still too expensive. That mirror todays gun crime data in the us for self explanatory reasons - time to crime on guns is directly related and most strongly influenced by the cost of their acquisition. Heading into the 1930s, even, it remains relatively rare and this is notable because the uk was a heavily policed state. I found a report from the twenties about how some cops borrowed a wealthy bystanders gun to shoot a fleeing (unarmed) suspect. Perfect, no notes. Coming out of the twenties and into the thirties, though, gun crime (and violent crime in general) skyrockets and becomes a part of the administrative psyche and it's from this point onward that we would see the sorts of comprehensive itemized data collection familiar and relevant top us today. The whole period is characterized by mass unemployment and social unrest - culminating in a world war, ofc. Here again mirroring gun crime data in the us. Desperately poor people and firearms are not a peaceful mix.
In almost any time and age and country, it would seem, the very best gun control measures - if the purpose of gun control is to reduce gun death....don't have much to do with guns at all. The trouble is that they represent problems infinitely more difficult to resolve than monitoring and restricting some item would be. With better circumstances in regards to mental health and poverty we could assume that gun crime and gun death would return to being a relatively rare thing no matter what set of laws we had (or didn't have) on the books. Until then, the best we can do is reduce the supply and increase the cost to acquire the firearms that might otherwise be used in crime. This works..again, no matter what laws we have (or don't have) on the books.
Did get me wondering how far back reliable gun death stats go in the uk. Turns out not far - or..rather, not as far as I would have expected? Gun crime in general was rare in victorian england because guns were still too expensive. That mirror todays gun crime data in the us for self explanatory reasons - time to crime on guns is directly related and most strongly influenced by the cost of their acquisition. Heading into the 1930s, even, it remains relatively rare and this is notable because the uk was a heavily policed state. I found a report from the twenties about how some cops borrowed a wealthy bystanders gun to shoot a fleeing (unarmed) suspect. Perfect, no notes. Coming out of the twenties and into the thirties, though, gun crime (and violent crime in general) skyrockets and becomes a part of the administrative psyche and it's from this point onward that we would see the sorts of comprehensive itemized data collection familiar and relevant top us today. The whole period is characterized by mass unemployment and social unrest - culminating in a world war, ofc. Here again mirroring gun crime data in the us. Desperately poor people and firearms are not a peaceful mix.
In almost any time and age and country, it would seem, the very best gun control measures - if the purpose of gun control is to reduce gun death....don't have much to do with guns at all. The trouble is that they represent problems infinitely more difficult to resolve than monitoring and restricting some item would be. With better circumstances in regards to mental health and poverty we could assume that gun crime and gun death would return to being a relatively rare thing no matter what set of laws we had (or didn't have) on the books. Until then, the best we can do is reduce the supply and increase the cost to acquire the firearms that might otherwise be used in crime. This works..again, no matter what laws we have (or don't have) on the books.
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