I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...

[zwanzig]

I guess if he could either annilate me or give me complete peace I would!  Joking aside, we choose to sin. I guess God knows that, given the opportunity, we will choose sin. That's not saying at every point we will, but we still will. Don't take my word for trying to understand God because honestly, I don't know why. God does what he does.

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If that’s the case, can you explain why God deliberately deludes people into sin for the express purpose of damning them?

Boru

Well, you could try explaining the conflict between your view that sin is a choice and the scriptural evidence that God forces people to sin. You could say that, if you’re so inclined.

Boru

Both very well put and framed questions. Like, can we conclude that as described, god has free will to choose to sin or not? We've been batting this shuttlecock around enough, it feels trite to go through the process of properly defining the parameters of sin(besides, I'm pretty sure it got an exhaustive take somewhere in my companion thread to this one). But I feel like we could at least say he is capable of it, and could create beings capable of such free will as well. Like, the ability to genuinely choose and not do the thing.

But, don't you know, that's what Job is for. To show us that no matter how much the evil god makes us suffer, we should still love him and not sin.

Job is my second most hated Bible tale. The first one I hate the most is Abraham and Isaac. Funnily enough, both stories have the same message: god is malicious and thrives off of human suffering so you better love him.

So, then we don't have free will. Got it.

This is exactly it, isn't it? Like the loop takes us from "here to exercise free will >> but then sin being such a condition of the world that even the righteous cannot come out clean >> the Jesus extortion plot >> punishment if you don't accept the "gift" >> there is no choice even in the illusion of choice presented."

At least the Mormons had the sense to say, "It'll all get worked out in the eternities". Most other Christians really commit hard to " yeah, gods an arsehole but you gotta do what he says."