RE: Russia and Ukraine
August 6, 2023 at 8:51 am
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2023 at 9:21 am by Deesse23.)
(August 6, 2023 at 5:57 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: I don’t see the Soviet Union as a “dark page” in history like the Third Reich etc.Then you are wrong, terribly wrong.
Who killed more soviet russian people? Hitler or Stalin. Who killed more of his own people?............If you have to think more than a second about this, you maybe realize why you are wrong.
The only fundamental difference between the nazi and soviet state does not lie in the amount of human suffering caused. Soviet russia easily beats nazi Germany on that. The difference is that Soviet Russia never targeted a whole people for elimination. Yet, looking at Holodomor (see below), Stalin didnt bother so much about millions of ukrainians being starved to death either.
If your only defense for Stalin has to be this fact, then yes, the soviet union was a "dark page".
(August 6, 2023 at 5:57 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: But should we go ahead and destroy every monument / church / palace etc. that were built by ancient Kings and Emperors?Nobody, but you, ever made this suggestion. Why are you attacking this straw man?
(August 6, 2023 at 5:57 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: But for me, this statue was a symbol of resistance of a Communist / Socialist state against complete barbarians who were the Nazis.Sometimes two evils are fighting each other. I see no rule telling me i have to root for one of them. Fighting an evil doesnt make you good, fighting Nazism doesnt make you automatically good*.in case of the CCCP maybe just slightly less so. Thats all.
(August 6, 2023 at 6:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Simply because the Soviets helped defeat the Nazis isn’t a justification for keeping Soviet symbols on display in Ukraine. Because, you know, recent events.Looking at Holodomor, i am rather surprised soviet symbols werent removed in Ukraine much earlier than that.
*German communists like Ulbricht or Mielke fled from nazi persecution, just to erect their own personal terror state after 1945, including the "shoot on sight" order for those who wanted to commit the crime of leaving their country. Did being persecuted by nazis make them good? I suggest reading up on Mielke before you answer this question.
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