Yes I think you are right. Sometimes I tend browse through the different messages very fast. Sorry about that.
The ottomans were a multi-cultural but still ethnically Turkish family. The second half of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th century was an era during which the empire was being torn apart because of agitations based on religious and/or national identities. Turkish nationalism was on the rise too. And it was also a very decadent and corrupt empire at the time. So something terrible happened with the Armenians and to be honest, I don’t know that much about the details.
The Soviet Union was something different. Putin is doing all that is in his power to emphasize the parallels between the Russian Federation, the Soviet Union and even Imperial Russia. I see these three things as being three different Russia’s with three different social contracts.
Eventually, when I read about the Holodomor for instance, I have no choice but to agree that it was very similar, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Grand Nudger: When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, we started to learn about this and many other atrocities, which existed within the very fabric of the Soviet Union (like the Genocide and/or forced assimilation by the Bulgarian dictator Todor Jivkov for instance).
The only Communist rulers that I still like in some way are Josip Broz Tito and Mikhail Gorbatchev. I am also very critical of Lenin and the Bolchevik movement in general. Even the more romanticized figures of Socialism like Che Guevara or the more humanistic Leon Trotsky are highly reproachable in today’s standards.
So yes, I think I agree that Ukrainians are right to remove that hammer and sickle from that statue.
But no, I think Putin has no right to act as the heir of the Soviet Union. As I said. The Soviet Union was not really a “Russian” thing. I was a “Commie” thing. And that’s still important because: Look at the state of the world today. Overconsumption, plastic pollution. 1% of the richest emitting more CO2 than the 50% poorest half of mankind, mass migration, increased inequalities, climate crisis, no-exit conflicts (like Ukraine) that do not serve anyone at all. Etc. etc. And these guys were the “Bolsheviks”. They were very brutal complete hypocrites that have not really managed to do anything good for this world. They committed many atrocities other than the Holodomor that we can mention in details if you want. But during their time 1919-1991, they were still successful in providing an alternative social model to the world. That social model was actually worse than capitalism but it was still an alternative to something that is destroying us as a whole if you are willing to look at it very objectively.
So that’s all I am saying and this time I am really leaving for a week or two. So take care
The ottomans were a multi-cultural but still ethnically Turkish family. The second half of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th century was an era during which the empire was being torn apart because of agitations based on religious and/or national identities. Turkish nationalism was on the rise too. And it was also a very decadent and corrupt empire at the time. So something terrible happened with the Armenians and to be honest, I don’t know that much about the details.
The Soviet Union was something different. Putin is doing all that is in his power to emphasize the parallels between the Russian Federation, the Soviet Union and even Imperial Russia. I see these three things as being three different Russia’s with three different social contracts.
Eventually, when I read about the Holodomor for instance, I have no choice but to agree that it was very similar, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Grand Nudger: When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, we started to learn about this and many other atrocities, which existed within the very fabric of the Soviet Union (like the Genocide and/or forced assimilation by the Bulgarian dictator Todor Jivkov for instance).
The only Communist rulers that I still like in some way are Josip Broz Tito and Mikhail Gorbatchev. I am also very critical of Lenin and the Bolchevik movement in general. Even the more romanticized figures of Socialism like Che Guevara or the more humanistic Leon Trotsky are highly reproachable in today’s standards.
So yes, I think I agree that Ukrainians are right to remove that hammer and sickle from that statue.
But no, I think Putin has no right to act as the heir of the Soviet Union. As I said. The Soviet Union was not really a “Russian” thing. I was a “Commie” thing. And that’s still important because: Look at the state of the world today. Overconsumption, plastic pollution. 1% of the richest emitting more CO2 than the 50% poorest half of mankind, mass migration, increased inequalities, climate crisis, no-exit conflicts (like Ukraine) that do not serve anyone at all. Etc. etc. And these guys were the “Bolsheviks”. They were very brutal complete hypocrites that have not really managed to do anything good for this world. They committed many atrocities other than the Holodomor that we can mention in details if you want. But during their time 1919-1991, they were still successful in providing an alternative social model to the world. That social model was actually worse than capitalism but it was still an alternative to something that is destroying us as a whole if you are willing to look at it very objectively.
So that’s all I am saying and this time I am really leaving for a week or two. So take care
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