RE: Agnostic Atheism? Your opinions..
December 18, 2011 at 11:12 am
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2011 at 11:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
On the subject of not being able to know, or making no claims-
No worries, I'll handle the making claims bit all day long. Mythical creatures do not exist for various reasons that can be handled individually. The "god" that can't be known, yay or nay, is not any god described in the major religious traditions of today or any other point in history. Those were all testable propositions. Yahweh is the god of eden , the flood, and exodus. The stories describe events which did not occur and attribute them to a being that does not exist. Rinse and repeat with any god you like. Give a god formulated specifically for an argument any sort of pass you want. We cannot know about gods that are indistinguishable from nature. That has nothing to do with the god being put forward by those who offer this argument as some sort of trojan horse for their fairy. The god's we "cannot know" are only gods by virtue of someone calling them that. Word games.
It's not as though we cannot know whether or not unicorns or sasquatch or fairies or werewolves exist. Each creature has a description which can be assessed on the basis of known fact. Each is non-existent based upon what we know, not what we don't. The same is true for gods. It isn't just a lack of evidence that disqualifies these creatures. It's a lack of evidence for and a mountain of evidence against. One could suggest that we have our facts wrong, fine, lead the way.
No worries, I'll handle the making claims bit all day long. Mythical creatures do not exist for various reasons that can be handled individually. The "god" that can't be known, yay or nay, is not any god described in the major religious traditions of today or any other point in history. Those were all testable propositions. Yahweh is the god of eden , the flood, and exodus. The stories describe events which did not occur and attribute them to a being that does not exist. Rinse and repeat with any god you like. Give a god formulated specifically for an argument any sort of pass you want. We cannot know about gods that are indistinguishable from nature. That has nothing to do with the god being put forward by those who offer this argument as some sort of trojan horse for their fairy. The god's we "cannot know" are only gods by virtue of someone calling them that. Word games.
It's not as though we cannot know whether or not unicorns or sasquatch or fairies or werewolves exist. Each creature has a description which can be assessed on the basis of known fact. Each is non-existent based upon what we know, not what we don't. The same is true for gods. It isn't just a lack of evidence that disqualifies these creatures. It's a lack of evidence for and a mountain of evidence against. One could suggest that we have our facts wrong, fine, lead the way.
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