RE: Why are Paul's writings in the Bible?
October 8, 2023 at 12:46 am
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2023 at 1:04 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You don't see analogs in how early christian literature developed through successive revisions and revelations? Or in the end product of both sets of interactions - explicitly, a story that started because of some real thing but ended up bearing no resemblance to whatever that was?
If anything, the early christian propagandists did a hell of alot more covering up than the government. As the usaf never went through the trouble of exterminating those groups that diverged from the changing official lines or destroying their ct literature. I'm also not sure that we want to pose, from the historicist vp, that those authors had "nothing to hide" or else the criterion of embarrassment takes yet another fatal hit.
I'd love to put a pin in a specific part of your comments above, too. The usaf went with a story -that already existed-. There was a ufo myth for them to plug into (his other examples also highlight this). Similarly, if we are to believe there was a large enough community of messianic jews that would produce this literature in the first century to birth and then maintain a movement that would quickly spread to and capture the roman state...the myth must've predated the man. Or is that part bullshit too. He was never prophesied in advance and thus they didn't -actually- do any work to make any man fit that non existent pre existing narrative? Yet another persistent issue with the historicist position ( though not limited to it). Advocating for one seemingly critical component often amounts to a competent argument against other seemingly critical components. How are we to determine which components have priority over the others? The ones we -won't- argue against by invoking some other avenue of historicity? I'm just spitballing these questions, I don't expect you (or anyone) to be able to definitively answer them because, like before, so much of the body of literature appears to be either ad hoc or deeply motivated and so this confusing morass may not indicate that it didn't happen this way, rather, that it's an effect of how it did happen exactly this way.
If anything, the early christian propagandists did a hell of alot more covering up than the government. As the usaf never went through the trouble of exterminating those groups that diverged from the changing official lines or destroying their ct literature. I'm also not sure that we want to pose, from the historicist vp, that those authors had "nothing to hide" or else the criterion of embarrassment takes yet another fatal hit.
I'd love to put a pin in a specific part of your comments above, too. The usaf went with a story -that already existed-. There was a ufo myth for them to plug into (his other examples also highlight this). Similarly, if we are to believe there was a large enough community of messianic jews that would produce this literature in the first century to birth and then maintain a movement that would quickly spread to and capture the roman state...the myth must've predated the man. Or is that part bullshit too. He was never prophesied in advance and thus they didn't -actually- do any work to make any man fit that non existent pre existing narrative? Yet another persistent issue with the historicist position ( though not limited to it). Advocating for one seemingly critical component often amounts to a competent argument against other seemingly critical components. How are we to determine which components have priority over the others? The ones we -won't- argue against by invoking some other avenue of historicity? I'm just spitballing these questions, I don't expect you (or anyone) to be able to definitively answer them because, like before, so much of the body of literature appears to be either ad hoc or deeply motivated and so this confusing morass may not indicate that it didn't happen this way, rather, that it's an effect of how it did happen exactly this way.
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