(November 3, 2023 at 12:44 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:Virtual particles are an 'effect'. Ref: Universal causation(November 3, 2023 at 1:03 am)snowtra cks Wrote: Here's an idea: There cannot have been 'nothing' from all eternity. Otherwise, nothing would now be in existence. From nothing comes nothing. Then you continue by saying, "Trust me, I know it wasn't God; it has to be unequivocally, energy and matter are eternal."
Nothingness seems to be a state of affairs that is necessarily brief. How long can it last, without time? And then there are virtual particles popping into existence all of the time, literally out of nothing.
Has your idea of God been around for eternity, or just since the beginning of time?
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.