RE: Do you have any interest in the philosophies of introflection pioneered by Buddhism?
January 12, 2024 at 3:26 pm
(January 12, 2024 at 2:32 pm)emjay Wrote:(January 10, 2024 at 3:32 am)Belacqua Wrote: Recently, just by chance, I was reading about a guy called Thomas Keating, who started what seems to be a Christianized version of Buddhist meditation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centering_prayer
Apparently there are also meditative practices in East Orthodox monasteries that closely resemble this, though I don't know if there's direct Buddhist influence there.
Are these the kind of introspective practices you're thinking of here?
I do think that making a habit of such meditation would be a really healthy thing to do. Unfortunately when I tried I was really bad at it.
And as we can see, in the neoliberal bourgeois culture we have now, such practices can only be accepted if they are shown to have utilitarian therapeutic value. And then I think they have become something different from what they started out as.
If I may continue this conversation, since Authari is no longer here?
I'd be curious to see what sort of 'object' those people identified as the object of meditation in that case, because in my, albeit and admittedly limited, understanding of Buddhist meditation, there are basically two primary goals (though granted, there may be others above my understanding). One is to observe mental phenomena coming and going, with a view to reinforcing and validating the central idea of the impermanence of all phenomena, and another is to practice non-attachment to that phenomena, ie letting it be without seeking its change... mindfulness of the present moment, looking neither to the past or the future, seeking neither for it to continue nor to cease.
The point I'm making being that, since the central argument of Buddhism is that the root of all suffering is clinging/attachment to what is ultimately all impermanent phenomena, and its meditation practices seek to illustrate that point, it's, at least for me, difficult to see what role a God could play in this scenario, or how the notion of God would be implemented, let's say, in meditation. I assume that in theistic versions of Buddhism, the argument may well be that everything is impermanent except God, but that's obviously a bridge too far for me, and in any case the curiosity remains for me that basically if you are observing phenomena in your mind, you have to identify it... or at least focus on it or loosely be aware of it... so I would be curious to see what they choose to focus on as representing God or God's presence in that case.
There tend to be as many theories about what you're trying to accomplish with meditation and why as there are Buddhists who meditate. I hesitate to add mine to the pile, but it seems obvious that through repetition, meditation is supposed to either equip the mind with a skill that it ordinarily does poorly, or as a topical to the ordinary thought patterns that exist outside of the meditative state. There are supposedly studies that document improvement along certain metrics correlated with things like stress and anxiety, but even if valid, it's not clear what aspect of meditation is responsible for said effects.
As far as the role that God can play in meditation, while Buddhist metaphysics do not link the virtues of practice to any divinity, both Hindu meditation (such as Bahkti yoga) and Christian mysticism do involve a god in the process of the meditation and not uncommonly involve foci derived from their respective traditions (such as meditations on passages from the Bhagavad Gita).
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