(July 2, 2009 at 10:51 am)Tsuyoiko Wrote:(July 2, 2009 at 10:28 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: I don't think you can and I think it's dishonest to say you can. It really depends on the concept of god and there are many concepts. If there concept of god is just a first cause, a creative energy that started the universe, I don't think we can conclusively disprove that concept the way we can with a personal god.
I take your point. I think you're saying that in order to claim that the concept is incoherent I would need to examine every possible concept, and in order to do that I would require all knowledge?
Exactly. Granted, under the true definition of agnosticism, everyone really is agnostic. But the term is used for claims. As in, someone can claim gnosticism about a subject, although I think it's intellectual dishonest. I don't think gnosticism, especially about the divine, is possible, especially when they can be millions of interpretations. (And sorry for the delayed response, there's a pesky 4th of July Holiday in my country, and I've been busy.

Now, I had a long argument on facebook over agnosticism so I'm not in the mood to get in another one, so I'm not going to touch the argument about scales.

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
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