Russia and Ukraine

[Pat Mustard]

Pierre Sprey* and John Boyd will be soo soooo sad there's going to be no dog-fights.

*Yes, yes I know Sprey is dead.  But that idiot was the voice of the Jet fighter mafia for a long time despite having no knowledge or experience in designing military aircraft.

You never engage in dogfighting unless you absolutely have to, anyway.

Which is why it's so laughable that the mafia got so much media attention for so long.