(July 5, 2009 at 7:14 pm)Tiberius Wrote:Those Christians are, as you know, arguing a logical fallacy. I am not an agnostic christian and neither are all the other Christians I know. But we 'know' there is a God in the sense that in your words, we are 'certain'. You're equally certain in your atheism.(July 5, 2009 at 6:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it isn't. No one can 'know' so it doesn't work. AA's descriptions are the only accurate ones.Some people claim they can, through spiritual experience etc. Some Christians argue that the word "Christian" means one who "knows" God, which is bullshit, but reveals them as gnostics.
Hence Arcanus's corrections are correct. The words 'certain' and 'know' are inaccurate.
Quote:I think it's the same thing. Explain to me how it's any different.(July 5, 2009 at 7:14 pm)Tiberius Wrote: You are all gnostic atheists and I'm a gnostic theist. We have conclusively established existence or non existence.I have not conclusively established god's non-existence. I have concluded that there is not enough evidence to make me believe, but that is completely different.
