(July 9, 2024 at 2:51 pm)Disagreeable Wrote:(July 9, 2024 at 2:50 pm)Lucian Wrote: Yeah, I was explicitly calling for justifications of objective moral standards in the original post. I don’t believe there are any, so wanted to get views that countered that. I happen to be a bit of a hybrid expressivist/error-theorist, but am early in my investigation of these issues so I put is always valuable.
I would define a "wrong" action as an action that causes suffering. So, therefore, going by that definition, any action that causes suffering is wrong. What would you say to that?
The various justifications required for a morality of type x are the basis of the terms that refer to them. A subjective morality requires true facts about particular subject. A relative morality requires true facts about subject's societies cultures and norms. An objective morality requires true facts about the object itself. It may be that there are no true moral statements in the objective, relative, or subjective sense. In this metaethical reality, all cognitive moral systems lack justification.
I think suffering is a good measuring stick. I would certainly say that any action which causes suffering is of moral import. Worth considering carefully.
Quote:Suffering is mind dependent. Therefore it's not wrong due to a mind-independent categorical imperative.This seems false. It appears that people and other things can and do suffer whether we or our societies realize it, believe it, or not. That suffering is a facet of reality, not a peculiar belief of a single subject unattached to said reality, or a construct of some particular society or time. I do think we have a categorical imperative to reduce or eliminate what suffering we cause and can, and if we have some free time...mitigate what suffering we haven't caused and cannot prevent. This flows from a simple deontology, as most of my moral opinions do. Don't harm. Do help. I don't think that either of these categories exist solely in my mind...I'm the subject, and therefore I don't believe that they are mind-dependent in the metaethical sense.
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