"Your context is self-delusion. Funny that we can see that so clearly while you remain clueless."
it's funny how you say that with no knowlage of what happened. the answer to his question was literally right above where he quoted me. the context was there he just failed to see it.
"Resulting in the woman becoming trapped in a legal bonding with a man who has a history of sexual violence against her. Speaking from the perspective of actually having supported someone who was raped, I have to say that if you truly think that any of what you said is morally justifiable, or right, or humane, then you are an abomination to the human species. In my humble opinion, of course."
do you think the bible ever calls it moral? here's a passage in the bible on what God thinks of rape.
Genesis 34:7 "And the sons of Jacob came in from the field when they heard it; and the men were grieved and very angry, because he had done a disgraceful thing in Israel by lying with Jacob’s daughter, a thing which ought not to be done."
the context of the passage is that Shechem fell in love with this girl and wanted to marry her. he spoke with his father saying he wants to marry this girl but he said that Jacob had already defiled (raped) her. i don't think calling it disgraceful is any part of condoning it. oh and for those who are wondering THIS IS HOW YOU CAN SHOW CONTEXT. that passage doesn't make sense on it's own.
"Really? You know this as a matter of fact? I wouldn't mind seeing the biblical passage about how slaves can leave their slavery at any point in time because for all my attempts otherwise, I can't find a single passage in the old or new testiment that"
oh sorry i confused something you said with something blam said. it was actually in the context of what blam quoted. blam gave me Leviticus 25:44.
sorry for my confusion but it says in leviticus 25:48-49 "after he is sold he may be redeemed again. One of his brothers may redeem him; 49 or his uncle or his uncle’s son may redeem him; or anyone who is near of kin to him in his family may redeem him; or if he is able he may redeem himself." -so yes he can buy himself out or as modern comparison "quit his job." as long as he didn't spend all his money he was paid he's able to pay him back.
"a) condemns slavery or
b) slaves are free to leave their slavery at any time"
don't you get it? since they have freedom to get themselves out they are not really slaves b/c slave= no freedom. it's just a way for them to make money b/c there weren't a whole lot of ways to make money back then without property. i've said this many times.
"You're comparing the brutal murder of a slave to the spanking of a child?"
no did you not read what i said? i said if they wait a couple days after a beating and the person dies, they can confirm they did not die from the beating. it's not murder if they're not responsible for the death b/c it was natural causes.
"You're also missing the point - the bible not only says that slavery is fine, but it gives a how-to guide to treating and mistreating your property."
no, this is a form of corpral punishment. you always assume the worst but people don't beat their slaves for the hell of it. they have to DO SOMETHING WRONG. what you have to understand is these people are already paid for thier services so they can't just get fired or the owner would lose out. they need some other way to keep them in line if they misbehave. if they're a good worker then they will be treated well.
"At least, according to Genesis 34, rape is considered a crime against the man's (rapist's) honor"
hey i just quoted that passage lol. and one more thing, i've said from the beginning that raping is and was a shameful act not encouraged in the bible. this only further proves my point.
i think the bible says a few things about fornication being a sin does it not? reguardless of what you may thing, the man get's punished for these things on earth ang in heaven (if he even goes to heaven).
"Bullshit. I didn't take your statements out of context. You stated that people can kill other people if they have a good reason."
i would have put a quote by me but i already listed the quote in the second parograph of my last post. read it again cuz that's the answer to your question.
"Not only does God not follow his own rules, he murders casually and usually only to prove a point and he allows handpicked people to murder casually as well. He has murdered men, women, and children numerous times and you can't tell me that when he decided to commit genocide against the entire human race in the story of Noah that every human being except Noah and his family were ALL EVIL or ALL SINFUL."
well it wasn't total genocide b/c the human race survived through noah. and i believe he did this b/c fallen angels had interbread with humans and they bore giants. these were a tainted breed and God would not allow their survival for they were an abonimation. this story is clearly explained in the book of Enoch though this book was not put into the bible so it's contriversial. and you must have missed it so i'll say it again "God sentenced these people to death and exicuted them." just as he allows humans to exicute other humans for their crimes on a governmental level.
it's funny how you say that with no knowlage of what happened. the answer to his question was literally right above where he quoted me. the context was there he just failed to see it.
"Resulting in the woman becoming trapped in a legal bonding with a man who has a history of sexual violence against her. Speaking from the perspective of actually having supported someone who was raped, I have to say that if you truly think that any of what you said is morally justifiable, or right, or humane, then you are an abomination to the human species. In my humble opinion, of course."
do you think the bible ever calls it moral? here's a passage in the bible on what God thinks of rape.
Genesis 34:7 "And the sons of Jacob came in from the field when they heard it; and the men were grieved and very angry, because he had done a disgraceful thing in Israel by lying with Jacob’s daughter, a thing which ought not to be done."
the context of the passage is that Shechem fell in love with this girl and wanted to marry her. he spoke with his father saying he wants to marry this girl but he said that Jacob had already defiled (raped) her. i don't think calling it disgraceful is any part of condoning it. oh and for those who are wondering THIS IS HOW YOU CAN SHOW CONTEXT. that passage doesn't make sense on it's own.
"Really? You know this as a matter of fact? I wouldn't mind seeing the biblical passage about how slaves can leave their slavery at any point in time because for all my attempts otherwise, I can't find a single passage in the old or new testiment that"
oh sorry i confused something you said with something blam said. it was actually in the context of what blam quoted. blam gave me Leviticus 25:44.
sorry for my confusion but it says in leviticus 25:48-49 "after he is sold he may be redeemed again. One of his brothers may redeem him; 49 or his uncle or his uncle’s son may redeem him; or anyone who is near of kin to him in his family may redeem him; or if he is able he may redeem himself." -so yes he can buy himself out or as modern comparison "quit his job." as long as he didn't spend all his money he was paid he's able to pay him back.
"a) condemns slavery or
b) slaves are free to leave their slavery at any time"
don't you get it? since they have freedom to get themselves out they are not really slaves b/c slave= no freedom. it's just a way for them to make money b/c there weren't a whole lot of ways to make money back then without property. i've said this many times.
"You're comparing the brutal murder of a slave to the spanking of a child?"
no did you not read what i said? i said if they wait a couple days after a beating and the person dies, they can confirm they did not die from the beating. it's not murder if they're not responsible for the death b/c it was natural causes.
"You're also missing the point - the bible not only says that slavery is fine, but it gives a how-to guide to treating and mistreating your property."
no, this is a form of corpral punishment. you always assume the worst but people don't beat their slaves for the hell of it. they have to DO SOMETHING WRONG. what you have to understand is these people are already paid for thier services so they can't just get fired or the owner would lose out. they need some other way to keep them in line if they misbehave. if they're a good worker then they will be treated well.
"At least, according to Genesis 34, rape is considered a crime against the man's (rapist's) honor"
hey i just quoted that passage lol. and one more thing, i've said from the beginning that raping is and was a shameful act not encouraged in the bible. this only further proves my point.
i think the bible says a few things about fornication being a sin does it not? reguardless of what you may thing, the man get's punished for these things on earth ang in heaven (if he even goes to heaven).
"Bullshit. I didn't take your statements out of context. You stated that people can kill other people if they have a good reason."
i would have put a quote by me but i already listed the quote in the second parograph of my last post. read it again cuz that's the answer to your question.
"Not only does God not follow his own rules, he murders casually and usually only to prove a point and he allows handpicked people to murder casually as well. He has murdered men, women, and children numerous times and you can't tell me that when he decided to commit genocide against the entire human race in the story of Noah that every human being except Noah and his family were ALL EVIL or ALL SINFUL."
well it wasn't total genocide b/c the human race survived through noah. and i believe he did this b/c fallen angels had interbread with humans and they bore giants. these were a tainted breed and God would not allow their survival for they were an abonimation. this story is clearly explained in the book of Enoch though this book was not put into the bible so it's contriversial. and you must have missed it so i'll say it again "God sentenced these people to death and exicuted them." just as he allows humans to exicute other humans for their crimes on a governmental level.
