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I believe the Bible is God's Word
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RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word
(September 8, 2024 at 3:53 am)snowtracks Wrote: However, they have been shown to be scientific in recent years.
Verse 1 - The Universe has been determined to have a beginning (Ref: the space-time theorems) as shown conclusively by authors George Ellis, Roger Penrose, and Steven Hawking in the early 70’s that the 4 dimensions can be traced back to a point of singularity (one dimension).


Genesis 1: 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. *

No. This method of cherry-picking the scripture and combining it with confirmation bias doesn't prove that the book of Genesis is scientific. For one thing, your deeply flawed method can be used to "prove" every creation myth in the world as scientific:

An ancient Chinese myth tells us that everything started in chaos. The universe was like a black egg (a black hole?). A god named Pan Gu, wielding an axe, breaks the egg and the heavens begin to expand. The fleas and lice on Pan Gu's body evolve into humankind.

In the Apache tale, nothing existed in the beginning—no Earth, no sky, no sun, no moon. Out of the darkness a thin disk appeared within which sat a bearded man, the Creator, the One Who Lives Above.

The Tahitian story begins with Taaroa, who just was. He found himself all alone in the void. He calls in every direction and nothing replies, so he changes himself into the universe.

The Tahitian story begins with Taaroa, who just was. He found himself all alone in the void. He calls in every direction and nothing replies, so he changes himself into the universe.

This is all by using your method of taking what you see scientific and ignoring the blatantly wrong. So In the Bible and Qur'an, a presumably preexisting God creates the universe in six days. Following the story in Genesis, Earth is created on the first day. Four days later, God creates the sun, moon, and stars.

Now, what does science tell us about the origin of the universe? Observations indicate that Earth was not formed until nine billion years after the initiation of the big bang, grossly contradicting the sequence of events presented in Genesis. Furthermore, the Bible seems to imply that the creation happened rather recently—on the order of ten thousand years ago. At that time, scripture says that all the "kinds" of living things were created and since then have remained immutable, in disagreement with evolution. Throughout the Bible, the universe is referred to as a "firmament" that sits above a flat, immovable Earth.

The Chinese myth described above provides an account closer to the scientific one than the Bible's myth, picturing an expanding universe beginning in complete chaos and suggesting the evolution of life. However, it can hardly be considered an accurate description of the scientific data.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"



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I believe the Bible is God's Word - by arealquestion - September 7, 2024 at 9:38 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by zebo-the-fat - September 7, 2024 at 9:40 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by awty - September 7, 2024 at 9:46 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by snowtracks - September 7, 2024 at 11:28 pm
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RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by awty - September 7, 2024 at 11:46 pm
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RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Paleophyte - September 9, 2024 at 9:01 pm
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RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Astreja - September 8, 2024 at 2:19 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by snowtracks - September 8, 2024 at 3:53 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Fake Messiah - September 8, 2024 at 4:29 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Deesse23 - September 8, 2024 at 10:07 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Paleophyte - September 9, 2024 at 9:46 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by zebo-the-fat - September 8, 2024 at 4:38 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Ahriman - September 8, 2024 at 9:47 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by brewer - September 8, 2024 at 2:39 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by snowtracks - September 10, 2024 at 12:22 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Deesse23 - September 10, 2024 at 7:41 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by brewer - September 10, 2024 at 9:08 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Mister Agenda - September 10, 2024 at 12:40 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by snowtracks - September 10, 2024 at 2:58 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Deesse23 - September 10, 2024 at 3:06 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by snowtracks - September 10, 2024 at 3:53 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by brewer - September 10, 2024 at 4:28 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 10, 2024 at 4:38 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by awty - September 10, 2024 at 4:56 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Nay_Sayer - September 10, 2024 at 6:23 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Deesse23 - September 11, 2024 at 2:17 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Mister Agenda - September 11, 2024 at 12:42 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Jackalope - September 11, 2024 at 12:50 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by brewer - September 11, 2024 at 12:55 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Ferrocyanide - September 13, 2024 at 9:15 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by zebo-the-fat - September 10, 2024 at 4:03 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by snowtracks - September 10, 2024 at 10:38 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Fake Messiah - September 10, 2024 at 11:16 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by The Grand Nudger - September 10, 2024 at 11:36 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Deesse23 - September 10, 2024 at 11:42 am
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by Mister Agenda - September 10, 2024 at 12:56 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by brewer - September 10, 2024 at 1:46 pm
RE: I believe the Bible is God's Word - by zebo-the-fat - September 10, 2024 at 1:02 pm

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