(October 12, 2024 at 8:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: All perfectly true, but it doesn’t support the notion that science and theism are incompatible.
And, for the record, Kepler and Copernicus were both deeply religious.
Boru
It definitely shows that God is easily disproved that even theists can do it, this is why god changes. If some ancient Greek took a telescope and looked in the night sky, he would see that the Milky Way was not really milk from Hera's tit but a bunch of stars. Thus, he would debunk that story/ god whether he was an atheist or not. And that's why Galileo was already arguing for a different approach to theism and god himself, and he ultimately won.
There is an interesting 45-minute documentary on YouTube about how these scientists set out to explore the world in medieval times in search of evidence for god, only to change god on the way, but in reality, kill the Christian god. So at the 22th minute, the narrator says:
It was the age of enlightened democracy, freedom, and science that replaced religion at the heart of society.
https://youtu.be/UcZ44kQphlo?si=VawMyL8vQD9C_iv_
So, personal beliefs was not something I was talking about. I mean some scientists were devoted Nazis, but does this mean that Nazism is incompatible with science? The answer is ultimately "no" because ideology is not compatible with science (Nazis were dismissive of what they called "Jewish science" and "English science" etc.)
Or Newton's beliefs in God did put some restrictions on his work - there were some thresholds he would not cross.
Indeed, even scientists sometimes believe in bonkers stuff. Like Nikola Tesla, who was devoutly insane and believed if he touched round things (e.g. pearls), he would die or get sick. Does this mean that being insane is not incompatible with science?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"