Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

oh sorry is death not a good enough punishment for you? and don't you see why they're forced to marry according to Deuteronomy 22:28-29? at the time no man wanted to marry a woman who had been defiled and whether it be right or wrong, back then all women did and ever wanted to do was get married, take care of their husbands, and raise a family. a man doing that to her would take away her sole purpose for living which is why he is also forced to marry her. you cannot compare today's cultural view to back then cuz today's culture DID NOT EXIST. and you say the man does not get punished enough according to this law? well how about this, the man not only has to pay her family a buttload of money and marry the girl (which means support her for the rest of her life) he won't get anything from her parrents, his own parrents would disown him so even if he's the firstborn he wouldn't get his inheritance, and he would be treated as an outcast by everyone for what he's done. good way to get a wife? sure if you want to give up everything else in your life. hope it's worth it.

Good zombie jesus - did you even read what I wrote? Do I really have to explain why you're wrong AGAIN?
No. He didn't die because he raped the woman (if that's even what he did - the bible did NOT specify that Shecham raped her - it could have just as easily been consentual) he died because he was uncircumsized. It's what the entire chapter was about. She wasn't defiled because of rape. She was defiled because she was raped by a man who was uncircumsized. It was the whole reason why Jacob's sons murdered the entire village because Jacob and Hamor struck a deal to marry all of their children as long as they all got circumsized. That deal was the "punishment" for their intercourse because rape is rewarded in the bible or, at worst, a bloody fine.
Yes, we also went over Deu22:28-9. It establishes that rape brings shame to the man's honor and he has to pay a fine.
In the previous passages, the man dies if he rapes her in the country and no one is around to hear her scream.
She dies if she doesn't scream in the city.
I find it bloody convenient that you fancifully ignored Deuderonomy 22:23-27.
He only gets fined if she's an unbetrothed virgin.
I wonder why. Perhaps it's because unbetrothed virgins are much more valuable property.

Now how about Numbers 31:17-18? I believe that's god essentially giving Moses' army permission to murder every man, non-virgin woman, and male child but allowing them to keep the virgin women and female children for themselves.

The best arguement you have is that the bible explicitly punishes men who rape unwed virgins... with a fine.
You get capital punishment for...
adultery (Leviticus 20:10)
animals get put to death for harming humans (Exodus 21:28)
bestiality (Exodus 22:19) (Leviticus 20:15) (Leviticus 20:16)
blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16)
breaking the sabbath (Exodus 31:14) (Exodus 31:15) (Exodus 35:2)
disobediant children (Exodus 21:15) (Exodus 21:17)
Homosexual (Leviticus 20:13)
Incest (Leviticus 20:11) (Leviticus 20:12) (Leviticus 20:14)
Murder (Genesis 9:6)
Rape VICTIMS that don't cry loudly enough (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)
Theft of Slaves (Exodus 21:16)
Woman's Lack of Virginity @ Wedding Day (Deuteronomy 22:13-22)
Witches (Exodus 22:18)
Worshipping another God (Exodus 22:20)

So yeah, women can be executed if they're raped and don't cry loudly enough. They can die if they had consentual sex before being wedded to another man. You can die if you steal a slave, but if you rape someone, you get a fine and a marriage and only if she's unbetrothed and a virgin. Even then, it's only a punishment if you're too poor to afford the fine.
Oh - and the rape victim is forced to marry her rapist.
For rape - that's not a punishment and it's not stated as immoral anywhere in the bible.
To top things off, more often than not, the rape victim is punished more than her rapist. Forcing her into life being married to her rapist compared to being forced to pay a fine and get access to her booty at all times? The booty you raped? Who gets justice from this "punishment?"

oh really? what exactly makes slavery wrong? well if you would ask anyone who has been a slave they would probably tell you they don't treat you right, they punish you just for fun, there's no freedom, it's a life forced upon you, and there's no way out of it. you say it doesn't make it equivelent to a modern job with nothing to back it up? what does that mean? as i've seen in someone's signature many times "what is said without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." being a slave back then was the same as being an endentured servant which coexisted with slaves in america and were considered different. people from england would want to come to america but didn't have the money so they sold their services for a temporary amount of time so they could come here. is this wrong? and you have claimed slaves are mistreated in the bible but give an example cuz all i see in the bible is "You shall not rule over him with rigor" over and over again in the bible.

Slavery is wrong because owning another human being is wrong. You're depriving that person of their ability to choose the direction of their own life and that's a crime against that person's civil liberties. It's the act of turning a human being into someone's property and to be treated as such.
Speaking of 'what is said without evidence is dismissed without evidence' - I've already provided my evidence which you have yet to acknowledge or refute.
But you know, fine. You're a christian, I presume. You're showing evidence of basically ignoring the more unpleasant realities of the bible. - including all of the passages regarding the treatment of slaves that I brought up and expounded upon. Fine.
Here's another example.

Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

Servents - you do what your master tells you to do. Period.
The burden is currently yours. Provide evidence that the bible condemns slavery because that's the topic of the conversation.

Now, not that it makes the slavery of the bible moral or even ethical, you show me where the bible at least states you should treat your slaves like human beings.

well i just showed you a passage that says they can quit anytime as long as they can pay back the money they were paid in advance. so again how are they different?

Are you really that ignorant of history? Of actual slavery? Do you know what a "slave wage" is?
Slaves aren't employees that can earn a living. They're not butlers or handmaids (regardless of the names the bible gives them) or manservents. They're slaves. They earn as much money as you choose to give them. They have as much freedom as you choose to give them. They are your property. They are obligated to do whatever you tell them to do. I provided the biblical background for all of this here (peters 2:18) and in my preivous post regarding the treatment of slaves.

your right, it did not however can you state a scenario where someone can beat their slave

I'm not required to provide any such thing. I set out to prove that the bible not only condones slavery but advocates its practice. Not only that, but I've proven to some degree that said slaves are actually slaves and not merely prisoners with some rights or indentured servents.

and what point is that? that you can rule over your slaves with rigor? cuz if that's your point then you're wrong as i've already covered the bible says "You shall not rule over him with rigor."

Simple. My point is that slavery and rape is amoral in the real world but not in the bible.

already covered in Deuteronomy 22:28-29. i also explain in this very post why this punishment is enough. see if you can find it.

Yeah, your explaination was BS and I already explained why here and elsewhere.

oh so first you say God is wrong for punishing those people back then and now you say God is wrong for not punishing people today? you can't have your cake and eat it too. you don't care if it's right or wrong all you was to do is use whatever you can to say it's wrong.

Huh? I'm sure you edited out a lot of what I said in order to save space on your response, but apparently you didn't read everything I wrote. I recommend going back, looking at it again, and then making a more informred response. I tell you what though, I'll sum up what you should have gotten between the lines. I understand that sarcasm is lost on the typed word.
Genocide, Eugenics, and Murder are all immoral.
God committed genocide, eugenics, and murder and allowed certain people to do so as well.
God is immoral and a hypocrite since he forbade people from committing murder.
I compared god to, shall I say, a certain few dictators from the 40s to god as a comparison considering these people essentially committed state executions against millions of their own people for reasons not related to the impulsive reasons you mentioned and were more akin to the state executions you seemed to feel that justified god's murders.
It doesn't.
He's a tyrant and a murderer.

not even close. God doesn't interfere anymore today the same reason a parrent lets his child go on his own when he grows up. God created this earth, raised it, and now he's interfering less and less as we take care of ourselves. it even states in revelations that at one point he won't interfere at all and he'll just let terrible thing happen with the rise of the antichrist and the world coming to an end. whether you like it or not, that's your reason. and also if you notice, God punished his own people more than the gentiles at the time b/c his people were disobediant. maybe that's why he doesn't interfere as much, we're not jews and since christ he's been distant with them as well.

Two things:
1) You need to look up the definition of "Godwin Fallacy" and then look at my statments again.
2) That's nice that you believe that. Amusing, actually, since relations was supposed to take place centuries ago given that the predictions essentially required certain biblical figures to be alive at the time.

But hey, you're not the only person to take what you want from the bible and leave out the invonvenient truths of what is actually in the bible.