Russia and Ukraine

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Russia isn't the ussr.  To put it bluntly, ukraine was the ussr that we were at the point of MAD with.  They produced half of the shit that went bump in the night.  Their demilitarization and deproliferation was both a global example..and probably one one of the worst mistakes such a nation could make.

Well, I'll be dipped. But back when I worked in the defense business, we didn't make much of a distinction. Of course, I worked in the engine room of Navy ships and knew jack all about where we were going, etc. And as an engineer, I only knew the names of big players, without that kind of granularity. #REMF