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(November 4, 2024 at 12:25 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: People earnestly attempting to follow their irrational religions will routinely fail to manifest the intended or alleged outcomes. You can hardly blame them, even when they reach rock bottom and have the slightest glimpse of reality and self realization....because helpful idiots the world over will keep telling them that there's some good in that horrid shit, that they're just doing it wrong.
Back to the grind they go, trying to do irrational shit right...again and again and again.
This can be one way of seeing it.
When I was younger I used to read the philosophers of enlightenment. J.J. Rousseau for instance is saying that men (and women) are created good by nature and any vice that we see in people has been taught to them by society. And that’s the basis of all our 20th century humanism and belief that a just social contract will produce healthy and responsible individuals. But the philosophy of enlightenment doesn’t seem to be totally aware that people have a freedom of choice and that they can knowingly and willingly choose evil (for themselves and for others). Sadhguru for instance says that you can be a strong and fiery person (while working to do something new / something useful for mankind) but that ignorant people will come in masses (like the zombie herds in TWD) and destroy everything you have worked so hard for. I’ve heard that in the early days of Turkish theater, you would have people responsible for teaching people how to sit correctly and seeing to it that people were respectful toward the actors performing the play. That’s because the people in those days (some 50, 60 years ago), perceived theater as something that is alien to their culture and therefore potentially harmful to their beliefs and culture. Humanity is nor through that yet. This year has been the hottest year on record. The US signed the Paris Agreement in 2015, The US withdrew in 2020, Biden rejoined in 2021, now Trump is going to withdraw again. So there is always this 2 steps forward 1 step backward stuff everywhere, on every subject. So Rousseau has a very good point there, but if it were that simple we would be on a much better situation right now (I mean mankind as a whole). So in this this world everyone needs some sort of philosophy of some sort. Just to keep your head straight while facing difficult stuff. And I believe that if you have adopted a philosophy of life that is partly based on spirituality you will find it easier going through stuff. I mean people in particular. That’s because spirituality explains stuff. Especially people, so you learn to be kind to yourself and kind to others even when they (or you) are total J…s. Your Anti-religious position is also a very respectable type of approach. But you seem to be saying that all of it is nothing but an empty shell of some sort. I don’t agree with that. Depending on the type of spirituality you are into (It doesn’t matter which one, only that it is one of the genuine types of spirituality of this world) you start learning stuff, especially on issues related to people and you develop these attitudinal muscles and other stuff like that.
That’s how it is supposed to work at least. I’m not saying that all religious people are like that because that isn’t true either