"I can't believe that I have to tell anyone this, but rape is not the same as adultery.
Adultery impliles consent."
like i said, if they do not scream, then it is clearly not rape. this is why if it happens in the country then the woman is not punished b/c there is a possibliity of rape due to the fact that there could be noone around to hear her scream.
"Or she was gagged, is mute, drugged, threatened, afraid of what'll happen to her if she does cry out, ashamed of the event, or any number of other things.
The worst part of all of it is though that not crying out DOES NOT MEAN SHE WAS NOT RAPED."
reguardless of what you say, anyone taken by surprise will scream. if someone jumps out in front of you in the dark do you not make a sound. it's a reflex, if a woman is taken forcefully they will scream and in town there will be people around to hear it.
"Given that we see slavery as immoral now, then why is slavery only now amoral and why wasn't it amoral in the bible?
Yes, I know you weren't those theists, but "it was a different time" doesn't make murder, rape, and slavery moral actions then or now.
It might have been accepted practice then just as it was during America's slavery years, but it was never moral."
your generalizing again. if you would read later arguement b/w me and Cthulhu Dreaming, then you would see that using a general english word to categorize actions in an ancieng hebrew text does not prove a thing. slavery as it's called in the bible doesn't exactly fit the english definition of slave.
"As others have stated, slaves were the spoils of war. They did not have rights."
ALL SLAVES HAD RIGHTS. i clearly proved this in Levaticus 25. you keep cycling back to things i have already refuted.
"The bible explicitly states that slaves (or "servents" if you prefer) are to do their master's bidding NO MATTER WHAT."
i don't believe it says no matter what, but it does state they must obey them. it also states that masters MUST NOT RULE OVER THEM WITH RIGOR. you keep forgetting what rights are given to slaves. tell you what, read leviticus 25:39-55 and gert back to me.
"So... yeah. It's okay for god to commit mostly genocide (since some people survived and it wasn't total genocide) because he didn't like the breeds of human that were being produced as a result of coupling with god's other children."
yes, however you wouldn't like it either. you cannot speak for things you do not understand, you say slavery is wrong but why don't you go to someone who perfers slavery b/c their master's take care of them and learn a thing or too.
"Bull. I've backed up every word I wrote with scripture."
yes you backed it up with single verses applying to modern culture and english definitions. how does that prove anything. why don't you try comparing chinese definitions to see if the bible better fits what you want it to say. USE THE FREAKING HEBREW. IT'S WHAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN. servants were treated well by their masters and if they were treated injustly they would be punished whether it by by man or God.
Adultery impliles consent."
like i said, if they do not scream, then it is clearly not rape. this is why if it happens in the country then the woman is not punished b/c there is a possibliity of rape due to the fact that there could be noone around to hear her scream.
"Or she was gagged, is mute, drugged, threatened, afraid of what'll happen to her if she does cry out, ashamed of the event, or any number of other things.
The worst part of all of it is though that not crying out DOES NOT MEAN SHE WAS NOT RAPED."
reguardless of what you say, anyone taken by surprise will scream. if someone jumps out in front of you in the dark do you not make a sound. it's a reflex, if a woman is taken forcefully they will scream and in town there will be people around to hear it.
"Given that we see slavery as immoral now, then why is slavery only now amoral and why wasn't it amoral in the bible?
Yes, I know you weren't those theists, but "it was a different time" doesn't make murder, rape, and slavery moral actions then or now.
It might have been accepted practice then just as it was during America's slavery years, but it was never moral."
your generalizing again. if you would read later arguement b/w me and Cthulhu Dreaming, then you would see that using a general english word to categorize actions in an ancieng hebrew text does not prove a thing. slavery as it's called in the bible doesn't exactly fit the english definition of slave.
"As others have stated, slaves were the spoils of war. They did not have rights."
ALL SLAVES HAD RIGHTS. i clearly proved this in Levaticus 25. you keep cycling back to things i have already refuted.
"The bible explicitly states that slaves (or "servents" if you prefer) are to do their master's bidding NO MATTER WHAT."
i don't believe it says no matter what, but it does state they must obey them. it also states that masters MUST NOT RULE OVER THEM WITH RIGOR. you keep forgetting what rights are given to slaves. tell you what, read leviticus 25:39-55 and gert back to me.
"So... yeah. It's okay for god to commit mostly genocide (since some people survived and it wasn't total genocide) because he didn't like the breeds of human that were being produced as a result of coupling with god's other children."
yes, however you wouldn't like it either. you cannot speak for things you do not understand, you say slavery is wrong but why don't you go to someone who perfers slavery b/c their master's take care of them and learn a thing or too.
"Bull. I've backed up every word I wrote with scripture."
yes you backed it up with single verses applying to modern culture and english definitions. how does that prove anything. why don't you try comparing chinese definitions to see if the bible better fits what you want it to say. USE THE FREAKING HEBREW. IT'S WHAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN. servants were treated well by their masters and if they were treated injustly they would be punished whether it by by man or God.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem