Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

I didn't see his question. It's my rule that I don't respond to vulgarity, and he often writes that way. 

No you don't respond to questions you know you can't answer by people who understand what they are talking about

"strengthening of political ties and Ukraine's increasing integration with NATO."

So in 2008 there was a summit at which "NATO leaders reaffirmed the decision that Ukraine will become a member." They never made it to full member status, but you'll notice that the NATO web site doesn't say that this plan has been abandoned. 

Yup and Ukraine's right to join if they want to and none of Russia's business nor justification to invade. Also really 2008 and not being abandoned doesn't mean it's planning on being implemented. Also increasing integration doesn't mean joining lots of NATO countries are integrated with NATO. This is simply a shit statement

The Ukrainian people have generally preferred neutrality, which is exactly what Kissinger said would be best.

Baseless claim and it's certainly false now as most Ukrainians want to join NATO now so Russia has shot itself in the foot.

The events of the 2014 putsch are much disputed. John McCain was there, and of course Victoria Nuland handed out cookies. There is a recorded phone call in which she is choosing who will be in the post-putsch government. You and I can't know exactly who was behind what; we can only read the various sources. 

No they are not disputed and the Victoria Nuland recordings are nothing burger people like you take completely out of context.

Ever since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, knowledgeable people have warned that aligning Ukraine too closely with the west, against Russia, would provoke conflict. George Kennan and many others knew this from the beginning. Obama said that Ukraine was not vital to US interests. But if you read Kissinger's editorial, it's clear why Russia sees it as vital. 

The only one who started a conflict was Russia Ukraine has every right to join NATO and Russia has no right to invade them for doing so. You whole argument is the international affairs version of "She shouldn't have been talking to that boy"



This tragic Russian dick riding is just sad at this point