RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 7, 2025 at 12:40 am
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2025 at 12:43 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(March 6, 2025 at 11:38 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Quite often; Korea/Egypt in the 50s, Vietnam throughout the mid-century, the Falklands in the 80s, the Gulf in the 90s, half the third world during GWoT...
1) North Korea invaded South Korea in 1950. The United Nations, not NATO, responded to the provoking invasion. Fail #1.
2) The Anglo-French attack upon Egypt was not a NATO operation, and indeed was opposed by America. Fail #2.
3) The Falklands war war provoked by an Argentinian invasion of said islands, and was again not a NATO operation, much less "invasion". Fail #3.
4) Desert Storm was a response to Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. While NATO resources were used (indeed, being stationed in Spain with a bomb wing I operated under NATO orders, calling that an "invasion of Iraq" while ignoring their invasion of Kuwait is tawdry and dishonest. And more to the point, that was a UN-sanctioned counteraction that was supported by non-NATO nations such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Fail #4.
5) Your point about NATO's involvement in GWOT is half-true. We did invoke Article 5 (look it up), for Afghanistan, and Europe pointedly stood up for us in attacking Afghanistan, the nation harboring our attackers. Would you criticize them for doing that? The Europeans actually followed through on their commitment, unlike your boy Trump, and you deign to chastise them? Fail 4.5.
As for our Iraqi, we did not invoke NATO. The UK and a couple of other countries helped, but calling that a "NATO action" is horseshit.
I suggest you inform yourself better and quit trying to spread manure.
(March 6, 2025 at 11:38 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Also quite often, and generally with an intent to more permanently expand their borders.
NATO is not a nation. It doesn't have "borders". It is a defense alliance to dissuade bad actors from fucking with us. Every "example" you've offered has been a defensive operation, yet you label them offensives. I wonder who you really support.
Well, no, I don't, really. I already have a solid idea, between your echoing Russian propaganda and your mistelling of history. I'm sure you don't give a shit about free people, and you probably wouldn't know your ass from third-base about freedom.