RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 2, 2012 at 2:46 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(January 2, 2012 at 4:30 am)chipan Wrote: the bible gives slaves rights as well. they have to obey their masters, but it doesn't take away from their rights.You do realize how ridiculous that statement is, correct?
I backed up my claims and the bible does not support your position against all slaves. They are, by the very literal definition of the term, slaves.
You have NO grounds in which to refute this point and your continued repeating of this point does nothing to evidence that I am wrong.
Only these oxymoronic statements of "you have rights unless your master tells you otherwise."
Do you see what defending your bible is making you say? Do you see the sheer ludicrousness of your words?
(January 2, 2012 at 4:30 am)chipan Wrote: the bible doesn't cherry pick. a lot have a choice and a lot don't. i agree that people don't always get what they diserve. they get what they get but the important thing isn't what you're given; the important thing is what you do with what you're given.No, Chip, it's not just that some people "don't get what they deserve" it's that the core values of the bible care only for the man and the rape victim is punished more often than the rapist.
some people used to think that people born blind must have done something wrong do deserve it but that's not true at all. they were born with a defect but it's not important what they have it's important what they do with it.
Further, the bible does cherry pick - each and every one of those "rules" only applies to specific sets of people. There are no general rules that apply to all acts of rape. The only rules I can think of (off-hand) that apply to all slaves is the no maiming and no immediate murder passages in the bible.
However, the maiming only applies to specific body parts and you can hurt your slave in a such a way that he can die from the wounds days later.
That is not exactly on par with the rights of prisoners in the US and definately not workers.
There's also another point I haven't brought up - the bible doesn't say anything against raping unbetrothed non-virgins and there are no rulings to force you to pay or marry one. Wrap your head around that.
(January 2, 2012 at 4:30 am)chipan Wrote: this is why you're not supposed to rape. this is not God's intentions. what happened for almost every marriage in the bible is the person asked the parents of the woman and they would decide if he's the right person. the woman didn't have the choice because they wanted to take away the woman's rights but because the parents are looking out for her best interests. she may not be able to see what's in her best interest like the parents do.That is why you're not supposed to rape?
Because the man gets a wife to which he has 100% of the power? The man who is a rapist?
He wrote this in the bible as a rule. It clearly was not unintentional.
(January 2, 2012 at 4:30 am)chipan Wrote: like i said, it may not make her very happy but if he didn't marry her no one else would want to. she would have no purpose and would live with her parrents until they died and possibly resort to prostitution. this is worse than a life with the man.It's just an unhappy marriage - it's forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist. On top of that it's forcing into marriage without her consent just like she was forced to give her virginity without her consent.
There is no possible way to spin this into being acceptbale or understandable. It's quite possible one of the worst things you can do to a human being and it's a rule in the bible.
(January 2, 2012 at 4:30 am)chipan Wrote: hold on. who says a person has to rape their slave to marry them? what if they marry them because they love them? what's wrong with this?No one is saying that. This arguement of yours is a red herring.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan