RE: Failed prophecy in the bible if one cares to look
July 25, 2025 at 9:10 pm
(This post was last modified: July 25, 2025 at 9:24 pm by GrandizerII.)
(July 25, 2025 at 8:56 pm)NeutralZone Wrote:(July 25, 2025 at 5:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Of course we’re not discussing ancient Tyre in the modern sense - why would we? But ‘nation’ in the ancient sense can also mean ‘city’ or ‘tribe’ (as in the Twelve ‘Nations’ of Israel.
Tyre was a city then, it’s a city now. Prophecy failed. Get over it.
Boru
Every detail of the prophecy against Tyre came through, including how the destruction would occur:
"This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, 'Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up against you many nations, just as the sea brings up its waves. And they will certainly bring the walls of Tyre to ruin and tear down her towers, and I will scrape her dust away from her and make her a shining, bare surface of a crag. . . . And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water."—Ezekiel 26:3, 4, 12
CONFIRMATION OF TYRE'S DESTRUCTION:
"A 19th-century traveler commented on what was left of ancient Tyre in his day, saying: "Of the original Tyre known to Solomon and the prophets of Israel, not a vestige remains except in its rock-cut sepulchres on the mountain sides, and in foundation walls . . . Even the island, which Alexander the Great, in his siege of the city, converted into a cape by filling up the water between it and the mainland, contains no distinguishable relics of an earlier period than that of the Crusades. The modern town, all of which is comparatively new, occupies the northern half of what was once the island, while nearly all the remainder of the surface is covered with undistinguishable ruins."" (Sources: JW.ORG and Encyclopedia Britannica)
https://www.britannica.com/place/Tyre
FYI: I've had this conversation with atheists at other websites who, unable to overcome the accurate fulfillment of the prophecy against Tyre, are reduced to cherry-picking the single portion of the prophecy that they imagine will support their skepticism: the portion where it says Tyre will never be rebuilt. The reality is that Tyre, as a Nation, was never rebuilt. In its place today stands a district with the same name. A district and a nation are two entirely different things.
That said, I am removing myself from this thread as I obviously will not win an argument with a moderator.
Many nations here doesn't mean one nation after another. It's just figurative speech. It's a way to say God will bring Tyre to ruin in full force, with Nebuchadnezzar representing those "many nations".
Note the flow to verse 7.
Also, the reason "nations" are mentioned is because of what is said in verse 2.