Belaqua:
“It's cool that Denmark and Ukraine have a mutual defense pact.
If the US attacks Greenland, Ukraine is legally obliged to assist with the defense. That could be fun.”
That’s not funny. Yesterday a symbolic number of soldiers mainly from France and Germany were deployed to Greenland. Trump is about to get the US kicked out of NATO because of polar bears (nobody wants it but that’s where we are heading).
/Yes the US is almost as strong as everyone else combined. But Europeans still have enough military power to defend themselves against anyone else if it becomes necessary.
The main question here should be: Why is D. Trump putting an almost century old alliance with Europe at risk?
- You know when this feeling of mutual trust and friendship is broken, you can’t just restore it as you would restore a broken object.
BrianBoru:
“Where did you get the notion that Denmark and Ukraine have a mutual defense pact that includes such an obligation? I've looked and can't find it. I see that Danes have allowed Ukraine to establish weapons production in their country and a degree of integration between the two countries' defense systems, but nothing like what you're describing.”
- And that is also true. I haven’t heard of such a pact either
Belaqua2:
- Germany is ramping up its military spending and has set the goal of making the German Armed Forces combat-ready by the end of this decade.
And this doesn’t change the fact that the war in Ukraine is without a clear objective:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/depriv...03988.html
I like Putin’s rhetoric about “Being the only country to resist western imperialism”. But Russia is no longer the communist bloc. And it’s not about power struggle between two empires either (the Russian Empire is also gone in October 1917, with the whole family of the Tsar being executed and their bodies being burned.
This is not a nationalist war because the Ukrainians have a separate ethnic and even religious identity.
And read this: Yes, they have a common history with Russians and the two countries have a lot of basis on which they could build up some sort of mutual friendship and alliances but all of this potential is gone with the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.
And this NATO rhetoric is also being used in Georgia. Moscow-friendly populists there are saying that “NATO wants to turn Georgia into a missile base”.
I really don’t understand this rhetoric. I’m not a military expert but there are US nuclear missiles in Ramstein / Germany. What difference does it make if NATO built two other bases (one in Georgia, one in Ukraine) against Russia?
- I’m asking because I really don’t know.
“It's cool that Denmark and Ukraine have a mutual defense pact.
If the US attacks Greenland, Ukraine is legally obliged to assist with the defense. That could be fun.”
That’s not funny. Yesterday a symbolic number of soldiers mainly from France and Germany were deployed to Greenland. Trump is about to get the US kicked out of NATO because of polar bears (nobody wants it but that’s where we are heading).
/Yes the US is almost as strong as everyone else combined. But Europeans still have enough military power to defend themselves against anyone else if it becomes necessary.
The main question here should be: Why is D. Trump putting an almost century old alliance with Europe at risk?
- You know when this feeling of mutual trust and friendship is broken, you can’t just restore it as you would restore a broken object.
BrianBoru:
“Where did you get the notion that Denmark and Ukraine have a mutual defense pact that includes such an obligation? I've looked and can't find it. I see that Danes have allowed Ukraine to establish weapons production in their country and a degree of integration between the two countries' defense systems, but nothing like what you're describing.”
- And that is also true. I haven’t heard of such a pact either
Belaqua2:
- Germany is ramping up its military spending and has set the goal of making the German Armed Forces combat-ready by the end of this decade.
And this doesn’t change the fact that the war in Ukraine is without a clear objective:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/depriv...03988.html
I like Putin’s rhetoric about “Being the only country to resist western imperialism”. But Russia is no longer the communist bloc. And it’s not about power struggle between two empires either (the Russian Empire is also gone in October 1917, with the whole family of the Tsar being executed and their bodies being burned.
This is not a nationalist war because the Ukrainians have a separate ethnic and even religious identity.
And read this: Yes, they have a common history with Russians and the two countries have a lot of basis on which they could build up some sort of mutual friendship and alliances but all of this potential is gone with the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.
And this NATO rhetoric is also being used in Georgia. Moscow-friendly populists there are saying that “NATO wants to turn Georgia into a missile base”.
I really don’t understand this rhetoric. I’m not a military expert but there are US nuclear missiles in Ramstein / Germany. What difference does it make if NATO built two other bases (one in Georgia, one in Ukraine) against Russia?
- I’m asking because I really don’t know.
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