US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[Leonardo17]

BrianSoddingBoru:
“No. The real cause is that Trump tore up an agreement that was canalizing Iran's nuclear program into civilian purpose, and then manufactured an artificial threat. Iran quite simply didn't have the money to both feed its people and build nuclear weapons, and thus we saw the winter protests.
Trump and Netanyahu both had their own political reasons for instigating this war.
You're being terribly naive.”
 
- There was a former Mossad Director on TV yesterday. He says that the Mossad was heavily invested in Iran since the revolution in 1979. Since the Mid-80’s the Iranian state has sought to build the A-bomb. But Mossad agents were able to delay them through acts of sabotage, assassinations, diplomatic pressure etc. Before the 12 days wars Iran had the capacity to build the A-bomb within a year or less if it wanted to.
 
So this isn’t George W. Bush all over again. And if all of these are correct, what Trump did is exactly what Joe Biden would have done if he was re-elected. And that’s also my conviction. You guys are right about D. Trump not caring about anyone or anything but himself. So he was probably convinced by other people around him + by Netanyahu.
 
Ivan Denisovich:
 
- You are right about the genocide. But Hamas has entered a sovereign state and brutally murdered some 1200 people and kidnapped 250 people (mostly civilians who didn’t have anything to do with the military or anything like that). So this was a genocidal attack too.
 
All I am saying is this: There are intelligent people in Israel and there are intelligent people in Palestine. The only solution to this is the intelligent people from both sides to come together to find a solution.
 
Right now it’s “me vs you” there is irrationality and savagery on both sides. And this has to change.
 
“issrael needs to be sanctioned back to middle ages and then answer for fucking genocide.”
 
- Netanyahu is already a war criminal and he has to avoid the airspace of several countries when he comes to visip his pal D. Trump.
- As I said: We need a stronger international world order and yes, Netanyahu has to answer for his crimes.
 
/ But this doesn’t change the fact that he + D. Trump are absolutely right about Iran.
 
- This isn’t a game. Many countries are dependent on Oil + Chemicals + goods + liquid gas coming from the Strait of Hormuz. (This includes European countries who have recently turned away from Russian energy since the start of the war in Ukraine). So how can you leave the control of such a strategic location to a regime that has gone completely insane since the last 10 years or so?
 
BrianSoddingBoru:
 
“‘Maybe we shouldn’t even be there [Iran] at all.’ - Donald Trump
Don’t think for a moment that this elective war is anything but a way for Trump to distract from the Epstein scandal and his failed economic policies and a plan to keep Netanyahu from spending the rest of his life in prison.
Trump could not possibly care less about regime change or the fate of the Iranian people. The only thing Trump is serious about ending is his disastrous miscalculation in starting this war in the first place. Wake the fuck up.”
 
- You are not wrong on this point. But I don’t know if anything will come out of these Epstein files. Besides: Everyone already knows that D. Trump is whatever he is. This didn’t stop the MAGA base from voting for him tough.
 
There had been an earthquake in the 1998 Monica Lewinsky scandal. Today no one even reacted during the Stormy Daniels scandal. So I don’t know
 
On NATO:
 
- I’m not an expert on this. They launched at least 3 missiles on Turkish Territory which were all intercepted by US defenses. And everybody is talking of a possible war with NATO.
 
So are you saying that if (for instance) an Italian frigate is hit by Iranian missiles in the Strait of Hormuz while escorting (for instance) an Indian oil tanker Article 5 will not come into force?
 
/ Besides, as I said, Trump has angered the Europeans a lot (since his first mandate actually) and several EU leaders like E. Macron have made it very clear that they are there for their allies in Gulf countries in a purely defensive posture.
 
So Trump is not wrong about Europeans. I think they could help him a little. But that’s what happens when a president knows nothing about basic principles of diplomacy