US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[Ivan Denisovich]

No. I mean swear words. Too much swear words makes me feel uncomfortable in an intellectual conversation

And that is why you constantly spout idiocies and show your ignorance to the world?
 

Come on.

Put up or shut up. You have no way of knowing what Iran would do.
 

No I just have my opinions. But they are not just my opinions. I’m a Turkish citizen and Iran is a neighboring country. We even have an Iranian diaspora that lives here, many since several decades. The founder of the Turkish republic had very close ties to Reza Pahlavi (The Grandfather of the present Prince in Exile). So I happen to know some of the stuff that people in the West (or even in Israel) do not know.

You don't know things that schoolchildren in Poland do so I take your claims about some special knowledge with wagonload of salt. You don't have any special insight in anything. What you have is ignorance and obvious bias coupled with sympathy to genocidal regime.
 

Today Netanyahu used the term “Barbarian” to describe the IRI.

How scary. However it is netanyahu country that is guilty of genocide.
 

That’s not the issue here. This is more like a political ideology that is based on some perverted version of Islam that has a modus operandi similar to the State Apparatus of Venezuela under Maduro (I mean a mafia state or a party state).

So?
 

They didn’t start WWII.

Perhaps it is a reading comprehension course that you should take first, before getting actual education. Nobody written that they started it. So I ask again where are examples of this alleged critical mindset of yours? Praising SU for irrelevant shit like first astronaut in space and ignoring that it was guilty of genocide and helped to start WWII counts as it?
 

Did the USSR play a role in the starting of WWII? Didn’t Hitler initiate a surprise attack on the USSR violating the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact?

Perhaps use Wikipedia for once in your life to see what R-M pact was about. Maybe light of knowledge will illuminate you then but I sincerely doubt it.
 

Don’t be so aggressive. We are on the same page on this. We all saw what happened in Minneapolis and we are currently with the American people holding on to their democratic rights in the face of these “assaults on Reason” as Mr. Al Gore defines them. So you do not need to be worried on this front

Don't be so fucking ignorant.

We aren't on the same side. I'm not an apologist for genocidal regime nor I am a fan of trump. You're both.
 

You are right. I only know the basics. Sorry about that.

You don't even know the basics.
 

These were “proletariat dictatorships” or regimes that were being referred to as “socialist”. So this is what I call “a different social contract” Many people in these days believed it to be a better social contract in comparison to the capitalistic, consumerist and imperialistic West. Putin makes the same analogy today. But Putin’s Russia is no longer a socialist state. So Putin is doing this freely. Back in these days there was something behind these words. Today there is none. That’s all I have been trying to say.

SU sure was a dictatorship but if you have even most cursory knowledge of history then you should know that is sure as shit wasn't proletarian one; party ruled in there. It might have been referred as socialist (it even had socialism in name and Brezhnev talked something about really existing socialism if memory serves) but since means of production weren't in worker hands it wasn't socialism.

Back in the day bolsheviks were idealists on some high level (as in wanting to create communism) and it might have lasted till Brezhnev when system became increasingly ossified and routine replaced ideological fervor but this something behind words was mostly terror.

If I am correct WWII happened with the rise of fascist leaders like Mussolini and Hitler (who came after him).

You're not correct. While Poles would claim that WWII started on 1.9.1939 one can easily say that it started few days later with France and GB joining the war, or alternatively when Japan (German ally) attacked USA. To be fair I saw some hypotheses about war starting far earlier but those were just that hypotheses.

There are years between Hitler rise to power and start of the war (and even longer period between Mussolini ascent and war).

Hitler built an army (in violation of the treaty of Versailles). Then he started annexing countries like Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland Etc.

You're conflating annexation with invasion and occupation. There are also differences between anschluss and Czechoslovakia case. You would do yourself a great favor if you would merely checked Wikipedia. It's certainly good enough to give you basics of basics.

That’s when the Allies declared war but were caught unaware and Paris fell within days, the Maginot line was completely useless and British troops merely avoided being taking prisoners by the Wehrmacht.

Allies were caught unaware how? There is quite some time between start of the war, fall of Paris and Dunkirk. Yet again I recommend Wiki - basics of basics are what you sorely need.
 

So how did Stalin start all of this?

Stalin starting all of this is just your strawman.

I will quote Thumpalumpacus on that as he already answered: The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact made the German invasion of Poland possible by ensuring that not only would Germany not have to fight the USSR (which was Hitler's only real concern in Aug 1939), but ensured that the USSR would actively participate in Poland's dismemberment.

In other words, the USSR invaded Poland as well, albeit a couple of weeks later.
 

Or I may stop discussing with you. This is a time for me to relax through some basic intellectual work. I’m not looking for enemies in the other side of the globe. Neither are you right?

You aren't discussing with me. You're woefully underequipped to have a discussion; you merely receive a spanking.
 

Are you of East European Origin? Do you hate the USSR?

Deflection? How nice. Now answer my question: were Great Terror, Holodomor or sending millions to GULag instead of using them in productive work rational?
 

I never said that they were good guys. Modern China is practicing forceful assimilation of the Uighur Turks in it’s Western provinces. This isn’t such a “rational” thing to do either. But they have been doing it for decades. And many nations (even my own) are still talking to the Chinese. Their state apparatus is rational. When they make promises they keep it. They are reliable trade partners. So even a right wing İslamic Nationalist government like the one in Turkey right now, is more than ready to make business with them.

China while it have it's share of problems and oppression isn't SU and thus is irrelevant to the talk.
 

Iran on the other hand, seemed to move toward that direction in the 2010’s. Especially during the US presence in Afghanistan. But everything started to go South after the death of Mahsa Amini. It’s not what I would call a “rational actor”. Meaning: If they signed a peace treaty today, would it have more value more than a treaty signed by Putin without security guarantees to end the war in Ukraine? (That’s what I am asking)

Why would Iran sign a peace treaty? To get attacked again when genocidal scum and orange imperialist will decide that they need another war? If they would sign a treaty it would be meaningless but not because Iran alleged irrationality but because one can't trust israel or trump USA.
 

You know: I think you are right about this. But there is also this: The US has enormous power on Israel that it can use if deemed necessary. All of the weapons of Israel (almost all of it) come from the US.

As things stand now it tail (israel) that is wagging the dog (USA). USA does have power over israel but as long as it is unwilling to use it then it matters not.
 

And I am not stopping you: Go and write to your congressmen. Tell them to ban weapon exports to Israel. Did you think I would object to it?

What gave you the idea that I have a congressmen? That aside yes, I think you would object it considering that you simping for israel constantly.
 

NO. They have proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen. They are actively attacking Israel. They organized the October 7 attacks (perhaps even with the help of some Russian elements). And when you attack a sovereign country like this you are in War. The US is an ally of Israel and it was Joe Biden who stepped in at the time and said that they (you) would support Israel in this war.

Iran was behind Oct. 7? Prove it.

More to the point what october 7 have to do with the current war started by israel?

Also how can you say that israel is sovereign country when it is ruled by a monster whose regime is guilty of genocide?
 

You may be right on this one. This is just my opinion. In fact I don’t believe in Netanyahu nor in the US. I believe in the Iranian Crown Prince. I’m only daring to imagine that maybe this (diabolical) regime will fall and their monarch will return and Iran will be a truly sovereign country then.

If this is how you write when you don't believe in trump or netanyahu I wonder how worshipful you would be if you would believe in them.
 

How can you say that they are a “sovereign” country when they are being ruled by monsters?

Easily. Look what sovereign means.