(May 18, 2026 at 12:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(May 18, 2026 at 9:03 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Pakistan is deploying JF-17 + Air defenses and some 8000 soldiers to Saudi Arabia:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacif...026-05-18/
France has also deployed its only aircraft carrier to the region. Germany sent a mine cleaner ship and the UK will probably have some navy presence there too.
These are said to be individual steps by sovereign countries to protect their allies + their own interests in that region.
I think that under this administration the US is losing its role as a global leader and as the main promoter of international order so other nations are now intervening in order to maintain the power equilibrium in that region.
In 20 years (probably less) China and the EU will be the dominant global powers. The US will be lucky if it falls no lower than ‘near peer’ status.
The countries you mentioned are indeed protecting their interests because the US is no longer seen as a reliable defense partner.
Boru
I’m not so pessimistic about the US. But Friedrich Merz was not so wrong when he said that “éthe US humiliated itself”:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/arti...32045.html
- So right now the Strait of Hormuz Strait is Open and Iran won’t have nuclear weapons. Ok. How is this any different from what we already had in February?

All this effort, all this damage to the infrastructure of Gulf States and all this tax payers money spent on this war (with 50% of US missile stocks depleted) to go back to the JCPOA (and even that is not 100% guaranteed).
But back to your comment. Europe is still an ongoing project and it still has a lot of difficulties. They are now committed to a European Common Defense that will be at least as influential as China in future conflicts and crisis in the world.
China has many internal difficulties. For one thing they cannot boost consumption because despite being the world’s factory, most of them have a rather modest way of life. And they might face environmental challenges in the future (because their industries are so unregulated that they are literally killing most of their own ecosystem).
So even China cannot envision a world without the US at this point. And they are repeating it: They too want to go on with the whole globalization idea in a multipolar world that respects differences (Even regime differences).
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