(September 1, 2026 at 5:10 pm)Angrboda Wrote:Free will is impotent? You seem to be denying my fundamental axiom that free will is causal. At its core, matter must be self-propelling (by free will) because a First Mover of SOME KIND must exist. That's my axiom. Take it or leave it. You are free to leave it. Tell me what YOUR first mover is. If you're happy to say, "I don't know," that's fine. Personally, I prefer to form a (tentative) opinion on many issues, one wway or the other.(September 1, 2026 at 5:04 pm)Jal Wrote: I think you're misunderstanding me. When I said all the so-called "forces" are God, I was speaking specifically of gravity, electricity, magnetism, electro-magnetism, nuclear forces. I was NOT saying, "Every impetus is God." For example I've repeatedly said that my free will moves my body, for instance when I throw a punch.
Every particle in my body's movement is mediated by these forces. There is no 'me' aside from God pushing particles around, the particles God is pushing around make up me. I haven't misunderstood you, you misunderstood yourself. Wherever free will resides, it is seperated from the particles of my body by a subatomic gap. My will accomplishes nothing. My will is impotent. It is God reading my mind to determine whether I move my arm, or pull my daughter in the water. If so, I will something, but God is wholly responsible for the doing. My will is forever severed from every particle that makes up 'me'. You seem to be oblivious to how matter actually works and live in a world where these subatomic gaps exist in some places but not others. Not so. It's subatomic gaps all the way down. The world consists entirely of subatomic particles, seperated by subatomic gaps, and all of it inert save for the acts of God.
Knowing this, why should I feel responsible for anything my body does? If it weren't for God co-conspiring with me, I would have done nothing. Why not blame God?
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