(July 13, 2009 at 3:48 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: What Arcanus proposed was that gnostic didn't mean 'know' but 'conclusively established' - more the 'certainty' that you were getting at for theists I believe Adrian, but more accurate. (Theists claim 'certainty' but you and I know this isn't a position of empirical knowledge. Don't you agree?)
Equally then, this applies to atheists. You, I believe, have conclusively established that there is no god.
You don't know, you can't, in the same way that I can't know. I am a gnostic theist, you are a gnostic atheist.. by this measure.
So, I did a google search on gnosis and found this:
http://www.gnosticreligion.com/gnosticis...cepts.html
gnosis is defined as "Gnosis is a form of special knowledge. This knowledge is derived from knowing, or having an experience with a god."
This goes right against what you say, "You don't know, you can't, in the same way that I can't know."
Fr0d0,
It seems to me you have the two terms gnostic and agnostic backwards. I will say that both terms are quite unclearly defined when you look them up on the internet.
Rhizo
