RE: Whatever you may think of Rand Paul...
January 22, 2012 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2012 at 3:23 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
Quote:@Ryft: Just because you have rights over your own property does not somehow override the rights of those who are inside your property. If you kill a person inside your property, you've still breached their right to life, and should pay for the crime.So basically rift, to Tiberius, A white man owns his store, and can hang "whites only" on his premesis, and even have the police forcefully remove non-violent blacks from the store who merely want to buy a sandwich and have them imprisoned..
...BUT...
Even though a woman owns her own womb, she is NOT allowed to have the baby booted out of her very own body. In fact if she tries to boot the unwanted baby from her body, Tiberius is all for imprisoning her and forcing her to keep the baby until she goes into labor.
...and R calls himself a Libertarian. These arent civil libertarian concepts. These are neo-conservative/ American Republican concepts.
Thanks Ryft...never thought I would find myself agreeing with you.
R doesnt care if blacks are unable to buy food because of all of the "whites only " signs everywhere. Its okay if black people starve to death in the name of property rights....
...but a womans right to boot a baby out of her womb is not an option. Even a black woman living in a society of "whites only" that will not be able to feed her child because the racism is so open and supported throough the back door by R's laws. No, that woman will be thrown in jail and forced to carry to term.
Then I guess the baby gets put into an orphanage, in a "whites only" society (again, thanks to R) where the child will grow up until the age of manhood never having known a parent. Once he is set out into society, the black man will quickly realize how unwanted he is in this society (again, thanks to R's supposed "libertarian" views) starting the cycle completely over again. Eventually blacks will cease to exist in this community... as the law will always be in favor of the majority property rights...thanks to R...all it takes is a handful of white racists to run an entire neighborhood of blacks out of their home, causing the property value to plummet, making it easier for the racist whites to reclaim the neighborhood.
Yeah R...we have gone your way in America before. It doesnt work and is cruel and racist.
(January 22, 2012 at 9:40 am)Tiberius Wrote: Same with abortion in some cases. Yes, the mother owns her body, but if there is another human life inside her, does that not have the same right to life as she does? I say "some cases" because there are obvious circumstances where killing a human in your property isn't immoral or against their rights. If such a person was going to kill you for instance.
..and that is where you are wrong. You automatically call it a killing. Its not to the mother. All the mother wants is to get rid of the baby from her body, and if the mother had an option that DIDNT kill the baby dont you think they would choose it?
It is not the mothers fault that the technology is limited, nor is it the mothers fault that the baby is killed in the process.She merely does not want the baby. Just like you dont support racism, you just want white people to hang up "whites only" signs" Accusing the woman of murder is over simplifying the system, and I will be calling you on this in the official debate we will be having.
If you accuse a pregnant woman having an abortion of murder, then I can just as easily accuse you of being a racist for supporting "whites only" signs. You dont get to have your cake and eat it too.
If you are not a racist for supporting a persons freedom for kicking blacks off their property, then abortion is not murder because the woman is merely kicking the unwanted phoetus from her body. It is not the "whites only" business owners fault if the black man dies from starvation, then it is not the womans fault if the baby cannot survive outside of her womb.
Best prepare for it bro...this is your only warning...abortion is one of my best debating topics. I have converted several pro-life evangelical people to pro-choice and I wear them conversions openly as a badge of honor. You are not going up against a n00b on this topic.
