RE: Book of Acts: Pure Fantasy
January 30, 2012 at 1:12 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2012 at 1:16 am by Godscreated.)
(January 28, 2012 at 7:21 am)genkaus Wrote:(January 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm)Godschild Wrote:(January 27, 2012 at 2:20 am)genkaus Wrote:(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: God does not make people sick necessarily, what actually makes you believe that God makes everyone sick.
The same thing that makes you believe that he heals. Given the exclusion of human will, everything else that happens is the will of god.
(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you were to contract AIDS does that mean God forced you to have sex with an infected person.
Having sex with an HIV positive person is not causally sufficient to contract the virus. You can have sex with such a person and still fail to become positive. You are simply exposing yourself to the risk.
Now, if there is a god and everything that happens is his will, then the causal gap between exposure and actual occurrence is the result of god's intention. Yes, you exposed yourself to the disease, but god is the one who caused it. You put yourself in the line of fire, but god is the one who pulled the trigger.
(January 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?
Duh, because there is no such thing as god.
Those responses are ridiculous, can't you do better, first you blame God then you say there's no God, please make up your mind.
Look carefully. The first part was answered by tenuously accepting the premise that there is a god. If there was one, he
d be responsible for causing aids and curing it. Since there is no such thing as a god, he's responsible for neither.
Your hypocrisy lies in how you assume that there is a god but he's only responsible for the cure and not the cause.
Explain to me why God would be responsible for AIDS, your analogy in bold above would have to place blame on doctors for causing AIDS, since you do not believe there's a God. No matter what you want to believe or not believe, man's sin is responsible for AIDS. Tell me if there is no God then who or what is responsible for AIDS and it's dramatic spread. I was in my twenties when AIDS became known, I've seen the progress of this.
(January 28, 2012 at 2:17 am)Stimbo Wrote: You're right, I do not believe in god, capitalised or not. It's precisely for that reason that I don't blame it for causing bad things to happen or failing to prevent them. However, you and your fellows do believe in it and so yours is the burden of explaining why, in your worldview, your god apparently sits on its arse and watches these things happen. All I am doing is holding you to the rules of your own story.
I do sympathise with your losing your friend in such a terrible way. All death is tragic and untimely death is the unkindest cut of all. Having said that, I cannot believe you actually think that life and the human condition is as black and white as you expressed.
Life is not black and white, if it were, then it could be as predictable as a math problem and we both know that's not possible and that is just one of many reasons I'm glad I have a God who loves me.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.