Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity.

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Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity.

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RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity.

February 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm

(February 5, 2012 at 12:02 am)CliveStaples Wrote: I understand "conversion system" to mean "the means by which a believer acts in order to produce belief in a non-believer". Everything you mention above has to do with "existence" and "obligation" claims made by the belief system, and has nothing to do with conversion.

Take a religion that posits something really horrible, something like "We should violently kill everyone over the age of 50." Despite the fact that this religion advocates violence, it could very well have a non-violent non-coercive conversion system. In fact, it might not have a conversion system at all.

The obligation claims are inextricably linked to the conversion, though. If you do not fulfill your obligations to this divine being via conversion, these heinous things will happen to you. That is coercive.

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Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 1, 2012 at 2:22 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Minimalist - February 1, 2012 at 2:45 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 1, 2012 at 6:45 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 1, 2012 at 12:01 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Mister Agenda - February 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Minimalist - February 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 1, 2012 at 1:19 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 1, 2012 at 3:00 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 1, 2012 at 3:50 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 1, 2012 at 7:11 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 2, 2012 at 4:02 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 2, 2012 at 11:46 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Doubting Thomas - February 1, 2012 at 1:32 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Minimalist - February 1, 2012 at 1:37 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Godschild - February 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by kılıç_mehmet - February 1, 2012 at 7:17 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by padraic - February 1, 2012 at 7:47 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 1, 2012 at 11:24 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Minimalist - February 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Bgood - February 2, 2012 at 5:53 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Anomalocaris - February 2, 2012 at 1:34 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Godschild - February 2, 2012 at 9:00 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 2, 2012 at 10:43 pm

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RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 3, 2012 at 4:19 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Minimalist - February 3, 2012 at 12:10 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by CliveStaples - February 3, 2012 at 4:51 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 3, 2012 at 1:05 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by The Grand Nudger - February 3, 2012 at 2:36 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Bgood - February 4, 2012 at 1:56 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 4, 2012 at 5:13 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Bgood - February 4, 2012 at 5:22 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 4, 2012 at 5:31 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by RW_9 - February 4, 2012 at 2:06 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 4, 2012 at 6:10 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Rokcet Scientist - February 4, 2012 at 11:10 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by CliveStaples - February 5, 2012 at 12:02 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Xavier - February 4, 2012 at 11:18 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 4, 2012 at 11:39 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by RW_9 - February 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Bgood - February 11, 2012 at 4:11 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 10:24 am

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Bgood - February 12, 2012 at 11:51 pm

RE: Logic problem: The founding principles of the U.S. and Christianity. - by Ziploc Surprise - February 13, 2012 at 2:09 am

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