Why Can't others See?

[Pippy]

I agree, I think you misunderstand belief. There are examples of believers who are obsessive, as there are agnostics who are such as well... That does not make it a necessity of belief to be obsessive. I believe, an I am not obsessive. I am not even religious. I hate to use myself as an example, there are many people I know that fit that mold. Not at all religious, but a believer. The concept of eternity is one of many unanswered questions.

Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something

Like you guys mental acceptance and conviction that there is no god? Oh wait, we have been over this, to claim there is no god is not a claim, it is just obviously the way everyone knows things are...

It does.

As the basis of what Frodo and I seem to be trying to explain to you, it does not. Please go into more detail on your claim that 'it does'.

Bullshit. If you are fully committed to a belief your actions would show it.

And how are you to tell me that either my actions don't show it, or that I am not fully committed? My take is that if you try your best to do the right thing, you have acted your beliefs. It is an effort not a result. As I said, not all of us are book wielding christian... Although I give them more respect than you all.

Believer says I believe the bible is the inerrant word of God.

Only an abrehemic believer. What if I belive in God, but not that the bible is divinely inspired. That I accept the bible as theology, but I am (as I repeat) not a christian. I am a believer, and I say nothing of the sort you imply.

And in it God says he will send a person to hell if that person doesn't do 'X'. Believer does not do 'X' therefore it is valid to say believer doesn't really believe in an underlying reality of that belief, i.e. God and Hell are real and the former will send me to the latter for not doing 'X'.

What if there were someone who believed in god, but was unsure about hell, it existence or severity? See you guys assume (probably from you daily lives) that a believer is christian, but this is a big world we live in. So to make claims that all believers have what could be seen as some typical christian (typical believers, not typical of the belief) misunderstandings.

I forward that you just do not understand faith. May be that is what made you an atheist.

-Pip

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Oh yeah, EvF...

So I think the reason why such rational people can believe it is because even they have been brainwashed, to some extent - by the idea that God is different, God is 'special', that it's a whole different ball-game and he is to be treated differently.

We are not claiming that our god is special, and beyond rationale. It does not tnecisarily defy all reason, but it is God here guys, it should be a little outside of our scope of complete understanding. Like the things your sig said about Dennet, Do the cells know? If they could, do you think they argue over whether or not their is a cell god? Could a cell know it's body?

I am a very rational and causal person. I don't know everything about god though, it is her nature. I know she is, as well as you know she is not.
-Pip