(February 12, 2012 at 7:20 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Yes, he probably would. From what he says, he would admire the conviction of a mass murderer even as the man was busy killing his victims. Pretty fucked up.
So, it's come to that already, the resort of scoundrels. Epimethean is resorting to lies rather than even trying to present a logical argument.
Putting false words in my mouth and then criticising me for it is a pretty pathetic attempt at making an argument. Try using my actual words Epimethean and see how well you can do.
padraic Wrote:What about admiring the utter conviction of members of the Einsatzgruppen,who went around Eastern Europe in WW2 shooting Jewish men, women and children in their tens of thousands?
I think a course in critical thinking might really help you, because you suck at it right now.
See above! Despite Epimethean's lies, if you bother to look you will see that I condemned Hitler very, very clearly.
The issue is - why should anyone not admire good aspects and condemn the bad? Try Napoleon or Mussolini or Patten or Montomery, Che Guevera, Wellington, Nelson, Nelson Mandela or even you. We all do good things as well as bad yet some of these people are generally regarded as heroes and others as villains.
Who would you like to be the arbiter who decides at what point of villainy your good aspects are suddenly expunged from your record? You? Some sort of thought police? Priests maybe? Once you start telling people what to believe and what to think you are falling into the same messy trap that every religious person falls into. Do remember that I was advocating fairness - even fairness to an evil person.
If you want to discuss facts, reason and logic, I am happy to oblige. If you want to disagree with me, that is fine but don't put words in my mouth and criticise me for your words or you will be exposed as a fool.
Quote:Would you admire my courage if I took a bible and began proselytising outside a mosque Friday after prayers in say Saudi Arabia? Perhaps Mehmet might explain the kinds of things which would happen.
That is almost exactly the same example I gave in post#23 to make my point. The answer is, 'Yes, I would admire you'. That wouldn't stop me thinking you a fool but I would admire your bravery in exactly the same way that I admire the bravery of the oaf in the video.