RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 10:06 am
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2012 at 10:51 am by Koklanas.)
(February 13, 2012 at 9:58 am)Epimethean Wrote: The fact that you and so many others all imagine a boss-god, Kok, and the fact that so many of you see him/her/it as being different and going about its tasks in various ways should suggest something. The fact that it doesn't is unfortunate.
It does, one example when you become a parent you would dictate to your son and daughter what is right and what is wrong and at the same time they would differ from you or each other on the right and wrong that you define and indirectly you set standard for them and become a bos.
(February 13, 2012 at 9:39 am)Rhythm Wrote:(February 13, 2012 at 9:02 am)Koklanas Wrote: I am not wondering about the spirit, I am talking about the bad deeds. the game is not over, and case is closed just like that when your body stops working. T
The dead will be 'raised' and judged on the judgment Day by the creator. If no such a thing as ultimate justice then everyone would do bad thing to anyone whithout any fear for anything including the fear of punishment from the creator.
That explains why human came up with all sorts of restrictions and guide to define what is right and what is wrong and it became regarded as law.
Imagine living without law and order and no Supreme being. I am sure the earth population will becoming less and less since human will take revenge to kill one another, or killing for fun, since they have noothing to fear..
You believe that the dead will be "raised" and judged but you have no evidence that this is the case. I don't believe this, nor do I believe in ultimate judgement and yet I don't wander around stealing lollipops from little kids and raping women. I'm perfectly able to live a good life without any such belief, with no fear of judgement by your god or any god.
What explains why people came up with restrictions and guides? Your beliefs? In a roundabout sort of way yes, but not in the way that you believe it does.
I've been in areas with no law or order. Sucks. I don't have to imagine being in an area with no supreme being, I'm there right now, so are you. No imagination required. People do kill each other for revenge and for fun, and?
Whether or not you or I wish or hope that those who do bad things will be punished (even when they slip through our laws fingers) has nothing to do with whether or not they are. We've been over this.
People are "giving up" because you're repeating yourself, and because you aren't a particularly skillful apologist.
I am repeating myself because you and your friends' arguments dont make sense. Justice is basic human need just like food and oxygen. If you dont get it in this world then the Supreme being is there to ensure it happens in the next world. I can sleep well at night believing the is such an entity.
If you have been to a place with no law and order and no authority . then you would be able to judge if it is good or bad. Then at that time you start thinking of an entity of higher authority to put things into order.
If those bad people slips justice, then that is the proof of the need for higher being of the most just whoi is all-knowing
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You believe that the dead will be "raised" and judged but you have no evidence that this is the case. I don't believe this, nor do I believe in ultimate judgement and yet I don't wander around stealing lollipops from little kids and raping women. I'm perfectly able to live a good life without any such belief, with no fear of judgement by your god or any god.
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You are able to do so (live a good life...) because your parents (your boss) had thought you well when you were brought up,,, he had seta good standard of what is right and wrong until you become a learnt man.
Later in life your good life may go astray when you get into debt for example and you start going against the moral standard your parents thought and create your own standard you think is right, by stealing and what not.
That is the time you need another 'Boss' to bring back to the right moral standard which is ' the higher being'...
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Rhythm Wrote:
You believe that the dead will be "raised" and judged but you have no evidence that this is the case.
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The judgment day has not happened yet. I will show it to you when we meet there. When the Supremen being raised us both from death.
I cannot bring the future now since it is in the future.
et's wait until the cosmos become unstable an not in equilibrium and then other planet hits our planet and the world ends.
