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Hamza Yusuf - Why is he so unpopular?
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Hamza Yusuf - Why is he so unpopular?
I am an ex-muslim. I left because of the sheer stupidity of the religion. Especially when you look at so-called 'scholars' of Islam - from Anjem Choudhary to Zakir Naik it confirms my beliefs. They also seem to be quoted a lot here, they seem like everyone's favourite here and elsewhere like in the news.

However, I recently came across Hamza Yusuf of Zaytuna College (not just him but others like Tariq Ramadan). They seem to have a really good understanding of western civilization - its history, philosophy, science etc. This seems to me quite shocking, tbh he seems like one of the most relatable and understandable as well as intelligent and eloquent speakers of Islam, up there with Dawkins, Hitchens or Harris when it comes to atheism.

Does anyone know any others like him? I see literally no mention of him by atheists - even muslims who are seen as 'favourable' by atheists like Maajid Nawaz - who most Muslims don't like. Yet it is the opposite with Hamza Yusuf (he actually has a overwhelmingly favourable opinion by most Muslims). Hamza Yusuf is apparently 'the most influential scholars in the west', according to the Muslim 500, yet he is virtually unheard of. Maybe he doesn't seek attention or something, but I'm quite surprised someone like him is very well-learned and a  good speaker yet unknown. It may have to do with the fact he seems to preach traditional Islam as opposed to ultra liberal and/or revolutionary Islam which doesn't attract media attention....

Most of his critics tend to be Wahhabis/salafis not Atheists. That's understandable since he's unknown. But IMO he is a bigger opponent to Atheism/secularism than Zakir Naik and others. This man can't be just put down as 'stupid' 'irrational' or 'backwards' like others, he is very well read and gives reasoned opinions. He seems to know every counter-arguments to arguments, and convincingly so.
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RE: Hamza Yusuf - Why is he so unpopular?
Hi, welcome to the forum,

I know of Hamza Yusuf, but perhaps he's not controversial and/or loud mouthed enough to really be on the radar. Not somebody that I pay attention to, so I don't have a fully formed opinion of him. Maybe he's a nice man? I don't know. But just because somebody seems nice doesn't mean they actually are nice.

By the way, Tariq Ramadan is a noob, in my opinion. Although, I can't say that I've listened to his ramblings recently. At first I thought he was much more reasonable than some of the others, (like Zakir Naik and his gang of worshipers, etc.) but he said some things in debates which I really didn't like.

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RE: Hamza Yusuf - Why is he so unpopular?
I'm not yet familiar with Yusuf, but if he is from the same apologist ilk as that serial charlatan Ramadan, then that's a huge stumbling block for me.
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RE: Hamza Yusuf - Why is he so unpopular?
Hi, welcome Smile

No, I've not heard of him, but if he's giving out a message of peace and reasonableness then I'm all for it. However, if you consider him an "opponent of secularism" then that's not so great.

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RE: Hamza Yusuf - Why is he so unpopular?
I think you might like Abdul Hakim Murad.
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RE: Hamza Yusuf - Why is he so unpopular?
(January 19, 2016 at 7:13 pm)darkshadower1 Wrote:  This man can't be just put down as 'stupid' 'irrational' or 'backwards' like others, he is very well read and gives reasoned opinions. 

OFC he can, he believes in djinn.  Rolleyes
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This thread is over a year old. Just sayin.... most people in it are probably dead or something
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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