Is this a true Christian?

[Aardverk]

I think your own words have done a splendid job of characterising you as as shallow fool.

Come now padraic, you seem to be an intelligent person; I have enjoyed some of your other posts. Tell me which of my words characterise me as a shallow fool? Don't get confused by twisted versions of my words.

Coming from you,calling others idiots is the acme of irony.

So you, and others, can call me a fool and an idiot as much as you like but I am not allowed to respond in kind? I must have missed that rule.

Don't you find it odd, telling perhaps, that people are quite happy to make childish insults but they are NOT prepared to actually address the issue? I find it difficult to conclude anything other than - they are incapable of addressing the issue. Please prove me wrong.

Let me make it clear for you...... Epi raised the subject of Hitler. After condemning Hitler very clearly, I said that I admired the good things he had done. I see nothing wrong in that. I then suffered several half baked twisted versions of what I said. I gave other examples which were also twisted out of recognition; I can see nothing wrong with those either. No one has yet to point out any error in those examples nor have they given any reason why you should not admire the good aspects of a fool or a villain.

IF you can explain why I should NOT admire the good things that people do IF they have also done bad things, maybe I will understand why you can not bring yourself to admire the good things that bad or foolish people do (For clarity, I believe that bravery is a quality). Do you never praise your children just because they did some bad things?

I will say it again, because it is important to me, even if not to anyone else - I believe in fairness to all, even fools and villains. Rather that dishing out insults, just explain to me what is wrong with that principle which is at the heart of every civilised justice system.

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No-one's run off, Aard: You have shown your face just fine-both cheeks of it. You can't handle that some of us find fault with your admiration scale, then you suggest you are more logical after contradicting yourself regarding your choice of verbiage and using the fallacy of appeal to authority, both of which I pointed out to you. Kichi and Pad are trying to help you see the way you have painted yourself.

Good to see you back Epi. Rather than continuing to twist my words and avoid the issue, let me see you explain why I should not admire the good aspects of a fool's or a villain's character. I am genuinely interested to see if you can make any case at all.

I just had a quick look back to see where you started going wrong. There are several places but the most telling is in your post #14 where you switch from me saying I admire bravery and courage - you then wrongly and misleadingly start saying that I admire convictions and you clearly imply that I admire Hitler's convictions. From then onwards you were completely lost and probably didn't even know you were misquoting me. You also made some bizarre comments about Hitler pushing advances solely for the purposes of mass killing - or something along those lines. I'm afraid that shows a pretty big gap in your knowledge of what was going on in Germany. I will explain it if you wish but be assured, Hitler achieved some remarkable, admirable things. That was why the Third Reich attracted so much American investment. I was not seeking a false appeal to authority, I assumed I was simply reminding you what was going on but it is now perfectly obvious that you didn't have a clue what was going on.

Go and read your post #14 again and then answer the question - if you dare.

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Oh so sorry Verk, I thought you were intelligent.

I was mistaken...on to ignore with you

Insults are easy Kich. Sad to see you give up on trying to provide a logical answer too. See above!